2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[SchultzLT1]

I don't understand why this is still such a discussion. Maybe people are missing something? If you have a tech and want a cooler, either buy the whole trans and cooler kit, or come up with a homemade solution. It just depends on what you can afford. It makes no sense to pay $700 with no fluids, pump, or lines if you're going to use an external pump. You can have everything you need out the door for less.

We already know our options and NONE of them are warrantied. At least with my homemade setup, my trans is still covered under warranty unless a line breaks and it loses all its fluid.

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[Hack]

I don't understand why this is still such a discussion. Maybe people are missing something? If you have a tech and want a cooler, either buy the whole trans and cooler kit, or come up with a homemade solution. It just depends on what you can afford. It makes no sense to pay $700 with no fluids, pump, or lines if you're going to use an external pump. You can have everything you need out the door for less.

We already know our options and NONE of them are warrantied. At least with my homemade setup, my trans is still covered under warranty unless a line breaks and it loses all its fluid.

I think you are 100% right. I keep thinking that Ford is going to do something for their customers, and that's why I haven't just done it myself... well that, plus it's a relatively expensive and nearly new Mustang.

Almost all of my frustration is due to me having an incorrect expectation that I should/will be helped by Ford.

However, I still haven't gotten a clear answer from Ford about what exactly is in these "kits". I have been waiting because Ford said they were releasing kits, and we are right at the cusp of finding out all about the kits. Once we know about the kits then I will make a decision on what to do.

I'm also potentially shopping for a 2017, but I'm probably not going to spend all that extra dough. I will probably just do an add on cooler and electric pump for the trans and rear diff. I want to do it right, and I think the track pack transmission will run too cold on days like today when it's about 40 degrees. I hope to be able to add a sensor to the rear diff as well.

I'd like to get this worked out by spring so I can get a roll bar and harness installed as well.

 

[Optimum Performance]

So the individual parts aren't warrantied, so ask the question that we've all debated...

"How does adding the cooler kit to the original factory transmission effect the factory warranty on the original parts?"

It has zero impact on your warranty.

Say you do a really bad job of installing a cooler to your transmission and you decide to only put 1 qt of fluid in it when you are done. You drive it like this until it fails. Ford would not void your vehicle warranty but IF they determined that the transmission failed due to lack of fluid AND negligence of operation (because you knowingly operated the vehicle with an issue) they would charge you for the transmission repair which then the repair would be warrantied.

Say you do a cooler properly and your transmission develops an issue with a Syncro on 4th gear, they inspect the car and find the modifications were done in a way that did not contribute to the failure. They would warranty the transmission repair BUT you may be held responsible for any Labor associated with your modifications, extra oil, time to bleed cooler, disconnecting lines etc. If it impacts the normal service cost of a warranty repair they have the right to charge you for anything beyond the scope of work.

To add to this YOU have to communicate (adulting) with your dealer and discuss the process with the servicing dealer. Attitude goes a long way to how this will go.

I have seen no actual real numbers on how many cars actually have experienced the limp mode during normal street driving. Those that have (and it is a extremely small number) I believe may have an issue with a measuring tolerance/software.

IMO it's common sense if a manufacturer offers an option like coolers or TRACK PACK perhaps there is a reason for it.

 

[Hack]

It has zero impact on your warranty.

Say you do a really bad job of installing a cooler to your transmission and you decide to only put 1 qt of fluid in it when you are done.

Is the radiator for the cooler and are the lines for the cooler above or below the fill hole on the transmission? Will adding fluid until it is at the bottom of the fill hole give the proper fluid level? Are there instructions with the Ford kits that will help make sure we get this right, especially if we have to make up lines and brackets ourselves as part of installing the Ford "kits"?

 

[SchultzLT1]

Is the radiator for the cooler and are the lines for the cooler above or below the fill hole on the transmission? Will adding fluid until it is at the bottom of the fill hole give the proper fluid level? Are there instructions with the Ford kits that will help make sure we get this right, especially if we have to make up lines and brackets ourselves as part of installing the Ford "kits"?

I can chime in on this one since I have done it. The cooler is not below the drain hole, and on top of that, the cooler lines go straight, up, down, then back up. You have to use the pump to fill the lines and cooler. The process of doing so is easy. You put 2 quarts in the trans, run the pump for 10 second, put another quart in the trans, bump the pump until you have fluid coming out of the return line, attach the return line, add an additional 1/2 quart at a time running the pump for 2 minutes between until fluid is coming out of the fill hole. Then you're done. It takes around 4-4.5qts and the whole process is like 15-20 minutes.

I actually made a nifty little attachment for the hose barb so I can pump directly through that, so filling the trans is just a matter of undoing a hose clamp and working off a 3/8 line.

 

[Optimum Performance]

I don't understand why this is still such a discussion. Maybe people are missing something?

We already know our options and NONE of them are warrantied. At least with my homemade setup, my trans is still covered under warranty unless a line breaks and it loses all its fluid.

Exactly. It amazes me how different the profile of Mustang owners are between the Shelby and regular Mustangs. Guys with GT's get an axle over temp warning 3 laps into a track session and work as a community to discuss a solution. They dont carry on about how Ford did them wrong. Shelby owners (except a few) fight and bicker about it while many solutions exist, have been offered up (in extreme detail) on this Forum by several members but this thread just goes on and on and on. I do not understand the disconnect with reality. Reading this makes it appear that every Tech Pack owner bought a car that does not function and sits in a garage unable to be driven.

 

[SchultzLT1]

You'll be a much happier person when you just take some action, take care of the problem, and proudly have a track capable tech pack.

Like we say at work, less with the jaws, more with the paws.

I think you are 100% right. I keep thinking that Ford is going to do something for their customers, and that's why I haven't just done it myself... well that, plus it's a relatively expensive and nearly new Mustang.

Almost all of my frustration is due to me having an incorrect expectation that I should/will be helped by Ford.

However, I still haven't gotten a clear answer from Ford about what exactly is in these "kits". I have been waiting because Ford said they were releasing kits, and we are right at the cusp of finding out all about the kits. Once we know about the kits then I will make a decision on what to do.

I'm also potentially shopping for a 2017, but I'm probably not going to spend all that extra dough. I will probably just do an add on cooler and electric pump for the trans and rear diff. I want to do it right, and I think the track pack transmission will run too cold on days like today when it's about 40 degrees. I hope to be able to add a sensor to the rear diff as well.

I'd like to get this worked out by spring so I can get a roll bar and harness installed as well.

 

[SchultzLT1]

I can tell everybody that it feels so much better when people ask me about it at the track or at shows and I say "no I took care of that problem." Rather than bitching about being deceived.

 

[firestarter2]

To be fair it's really like 5 or so vocal members who have basically convinced the world the tech car is dangerous on the street because they think there tech cars unfairly overheat on the track I find it disingenuous

 

[Minn19]

It has zero impact on your warranty.

Say you do a really bad job of installing a cooler to your transmission and you decide to only put 1 qt of fluid in it when you are done. You drive it like this until it fails. Ford would not void your vehicle warranty but IF they determined that the transmission failed due to lack of fluid AND negligence of operation (because you knowingly operated the vehicle with an issue) they would charge you for the transmission repair which then the repair would be warrantied.

Say you do a cooler properly and your transmission develops an issue with a Syncro on 4th gear, they inspect the car and find the modifications were done in a way that did not contribute to the failure. They would warranty the transmission repair BUT you may be held responsible for any Labor associated with your modifications, extra oil, time to bleed cooler, disconnecting lines etc. If it impacts the normal service cost of a warranty repair they have the right to charge you for anything beyond the scope of work.

To add to this YOU have to communicate (adulting) with your dealer and discuss the process with the servicing dealer. Attitude goes a long way to how this will go.

I have seen no actual real numbers on how many cars actually have experienced the limp mode during normal street driving. Those that have (and it is a extremely small number) I believe may have an issue with a measuring tolerance/software.

IMO it's common sense if a manufacturer offers an option like coolers or TRACK PACK perhaps there is a reason for it.

Exactly. It amazes me how different the profile of Mustang owners are between the Shelby and regular Mustangs. Guys with GT's get an axle over temp warning 3 laps into a track session and work as a community to discuss a solution. They dont carry on about how Ford did them wrong. Shelby owners (except a few) fight and bicker about it while many solutions exist, have been offered up (in extreme detail) on this Forum by several members but this thread just goes on and on and on. I do not understand the disconnect with reality. Reading this makes it appear that every Tech Pack owner bought a car that does not function and sits in a garage unable to be driven.

Yeah I was shocked by it. I assumed they where all young guys but they are not. Victim mentality, the members who really wanted to fixed it already

Without getting into a flame war I'll just say this........you guys a making a ton of assumptions about a lot of people and your opinions are your right. But, maybe you should keep them to yourselves and not kick some people while they are down. Especially a sponsor on this board.

As for Ford and doing what is right by with regards to warranty......I'll also just say this, I have what should be an easy warranty claim and it has taken nearly two months to get them to move on fixing or even looking at the problem. So my faith and trust in FoMoCo is at an all time low.

So, you need a dealer that cares and is competent enough to look at the problem carefully/objectively and then get Ford to warranty the issue if one comes up for the cooler add on. Sometimes easy said than done.

The way FP and Ford in general has handled this for paying customers is a complete shitshow and a disservice to those customers. Period.

 

[superman07]

Exactly. It amazes me how different the profile of Mustang owners are between the Shelby and regular Mustangs. Guys with GT's get an axle over temp warning 3 laps into a track session and work as a community to discuss a solution. They dont carry on about how Ford did them wrong. Shelby owners (except a few) fight and bicker about it while many solutions exist, have been offered up (in extreme detail) on this Forum by several members but this thread just goes on and on and on. I do not understand the disconnect with reality. Reading this makes it appear that every Tech Pack owner bought a car that does not function and sits in a garage unable to be driven.

sorry you don't get it, the rationale has been covered and articulated both very well, and very poorly across many, many threads. If one cannot understand the variance of expectations across a 36k car, and a premium trim branded in the name or a racing legend as a track oriented vehicle and extrapolate the concern over the inability to complete an novice event, I don't know what to say.

This is compounded by the stealth removal of trans temps from the digital cluster, reported overheating issues on the street this summer, and the curious choice to have two separate transmissions, rendering the cooler upgrade path both cumbersome and poorly articulated to date.
Have a nice day.

 

[SchultzLT1]

Its no secret that a lot of millenials are cry babies. I'd even be willing to bet that a lot of people bitching have never experienced limp mode, so Ford really owes them nothing. They are just assuming that their car won't work.

Without getting into a flame war I'll just say this........you guys a making a ton of assumptions about a lot of people and your opinions are your right. But, maybe you should keep them to yourselves and not kick some people while you are down. Especially a sponsor on this board.

As for Ford and doing what is right by with regards to warranty......I'll also just say this, I have what should be an easy warranty claim and it has taken nearly two months to get them to move on fixing or even looking at the problem. So my faith and trust in FoMoCo is at an all time low.

So, you need a dealer that cares and is competent enough to look at the problem carefully/objectively and then get Ford to warranty the issue if one comes up for the cooler add on. Sometimes easy said than done.

The way FP and Ford in general has handled this for paying customers is a complete shitshow and a disservice to those customers. Period.

 

[superman07]

It has zero impact on your warranty.

Say you do a really bad job of installing a cooler to your transmission and you decide to only put 1 qt of fluid in it when you are done. You drive it like this until it fails. Ford would not void your vehicle warranty but IF they determined that the transmission failed due to lack of fluid AND negligence of operation (because you knowingly operated the vehicle with an issue) they would charge you for the transmission repair which then the repair would be warrantied.

Say you do a cooler properly and your transmission develops an issue with a Syncro on 4th gear, they inspect the car and find the modifications were done in a way that did not contribute to the failure. They would warranty the transmission repair BUT you may be held responsible for any Labor associated with your modifications, extra oil, time to bleed cooler, disconnecting lines etc. If it impacts the normal service cost of a warranty repair they have the right to charge you for anything beyond the scope of work.

To add to this YOU have to communicate (adulting) with your dealer and discuss the process with the servicing dealer. Attitude goes a long way to how this will go.

I have seen no actual real numbers on how many cars actually have experienced the limp mode during normal street driving. Those that have (and it is a extremely small number) I believe may have an issue with a measuring tolerance/software.

IMO it's common sense if a manufacturer offers an option like coolers or TRACK PACK perhaps there is a reason for it.

So many assumptions here that completely avoid the impact the dealer and regional reps play.

 

[Minn19]

Its no secret that a lot of millenials are cry babies. I'd even be willing to bet that a lot of people bitching have never experienced limp mode, so Ford really owes them nothing. They are just assuming that their car won't work.

Again, assumptions.

FP said they were working on a solution and the timeframe/rollout etc has been extremely poorly handled at best. They owe the customers that they promised a solution for better than this at the very least.

 

[superman07]

I'm out, name calling and a bunch of folks that would rather just shit on folks, millennial, please. That's about all this board is good for now, shit talking.

Enjoy your car. I am glad your happy.

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