2014 Z28 Assault Thread.

[thePill]

Oy.

Where did he say it RAN 7:31? Why not quote what he actually wrote??



Meaning, that they believe the car can be faster had the conditions been better.

"GM credits the suite of exclusive technologies for helping the Z/28 deliver a Nurburgring time of 7:37.40, putting the car on par at the famous German test track with some of the world’s most prestigious sports cars. The Z/28 pulled its time in the rain, too, Oppenheiser notes. He says the car posted 7:31.9 in dry testing, although that is not considered an official time because cameras were not rolling."

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[thePill]

http://wardsauto.com/vehicles-amp-technology/gm-bullish-chevy-camaro-future-z28-model-arrives

 

[bballr4567]

Havent seen that quote. All I saw was the one I read where he says it could run that.

 

[thePill]

And it probably was, as far as analytic data is concerned. Camera's for recording video, who knows. GM claims they aren't always in the car and on 100% of the time.



It isn't exactly like that. My company just completed an R&D project that has been in the makings for a little over two years. I believe the "final product" was model G or H. A few tweaks and changes were made to various models during our field test. We recorded (with video) our field test. However not all changes and tweaks were video recorded. Our final model was.

What I'm trying to say is, if GM takes a similar approach to their R&D models/cars then while they were making slight changes / fine tuning, the likelihood of the video recording everything is pretty small.

With that being said though, I would think they would have been able / had the time to record a better run..

I think the Milford press release tried to address the 7:37. There are members over there that are let down and some are being just as harsh as I am. Despair can spread pretty quick if the negative majority remains vocal. If I were Chevy, I would have address that as well... It is potentially destructive to it's reputation.

The 7:31 statement looks like additional padding for the 7:37... I think their expectations internally were close to 7:30, but I highly doubt they would have missed not recording hard data and video... It isn't cheap to reserve the track, I'd like to think it is required from Mark himself to maximize their R&D in the shortest amount of time. Every Pro Race team runs a camera now just for the sake of liability in case of death... I imagine they do too...

However, if the z28 had some seriously NON-OEM gear like the '13 GT500 mules did, then I don't blame them for not releasing a time. I wouldn't want my product even associated with "cheating" at the Ring. What does that say about the rest of the times?

Havent seen that quote. All I saw was the one I read where he says it could run that.

There's a lot of things people don't see (or can't) on the internet... That's why I'm here brother...

 

[bballr4567]

Oh god, stop stroking yourself.

You would be livid if they just released the raw data and no video so dont act like you wont.

Cheating?

Your hate for this car is borderline clinical and at times is comical. Cant you just enjoy good engineering and give credit where its due? Oh wait, nope.

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

It is sad GM would go to such great lengths with this car and you can't even use it in sanctioned races. Fast ring times or and all. On top of that they discourage Drag racing.


Where are you supposed to race besides car club track rentals.

 

[thePill]

Oh god, stop stroking yourself.

You would be livid if they just released the raw data and no video so dont act like you wont.

Cheating?

Your hate for this car is borderline clinical and at times is comical. Cant you just enjoy good engineering and give credit where its due? Oh wait, nope.

If the z28 manages to compete with the next Mustang next season, I will give it some respect. The Camaro in General has a looooooong way to go to claim road course dominance...

...and OEM car gains respect in competition...


All those fancy cars Al is placing the z28 will have near OEM entries in multiple classes in multiple organizations worldwide. In which the Boss competes still today.


After seeing a very minimal gap between the Z's at the Ring, I wasn't worried. I knew weeks ago it was having issues with the ZL1...


I think that 7:31 claim and the Milford sheet was released so they can justify a $70,000-79,000MSRP.


I actually had nothing against a z28, just how Chevy treats you people.

 

[JohnZiraldo]

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Where are you supposed to race besides car club track rentals.

At Milford?:shrug:

 

[Overboost]

Around Milford?:shrug:

Fixed that for you.

The MRC comparison is a moot point IMO. Very few in the public know what it is, and most will never lay eyes on it. They'd be better off to use tracks like Gingerman or Grattan and offer a comparison to tracks most buyers have access too. Hell, go to Mid-Ohio if you want. VIR Grand is a rarely used option, and most won't run the course like that, so again, the comparison IMO, is weak.

 

[thePill]

The 2014 z28's curb weight (without AC) is 3837lbs. I know most were using the old SS weight of 3860 to figure that 100lbs from. Like I said, the new Camaro put on weight since 2010. The 2014 SS must weigh 3940lbs, auto weighs about 4000lbs...

If Chevy was serious about road racing, they wouldn't have used the Zeta platform to begin with. They advertised the 100lbs less then the SS but never communicated what the SS's weigh was after 4 years of upgrades.


They claim they want the GTR, gonna be tough at a 4000lb race weight and down about 30hp...

When the GTR gets a hold of the z28, what if it puts the same gap between it as the ZL1? What if the ZL1 does better? I think Chevy should offer the 2014 z28 at $53,000... That would be impressive...

 

[thePill]

It would be cool to see an R-Spec z28, one that has competition ready components. The $70,000+MSRP will kill me... At that price, they need to go ahead and put slight wide body flares on it. The fender strips look very Autozone to me... The whole car looks Autozone. At best, it's got a bit of road squeegee in it.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

If Chevy was serious about road racing, they wouldn't have used the Zeta platform to begin with. They advertised the 100lbs less then the SS but never communicated what the SS's weigh was after 4 years of upgrades.

Agreed. Which is why I'm curious to see what the Alpha platform does for the 6th Gen. Camaro.

 

[thePill]

Agreed. Which is why I'm curious to see what the Alpha platform does for the 6th Gen. Camaro.

Here are some more tidbits released today.

• Z/28 undergoes 10 hours or 1,000 miles of testing at Nordschleife
• Fastest lap completed in 7:37.40 in rainy conditions

Now, I initially said the z28 did over 30 laps... 10 hours of lap time is about 75 laps at 8 minutes. The fastest lap was the one posted above...

This was the release by Chevy themselves...

Here is some more...

The team spent a week at the Nürburgring as part of the Z/28’s performance-validation regimen, accumulating a total of 10 hours and nearly 1,000 miles on the track. Each lap took less than eight minutes to complete, despite having to overtake slower traffic at times. These hours are part of the grueling 24-Hour Test, which simulates a full year’s worth of track use of track days or amateur-level competition at the hands of an owner.

 

[thePill]

(Sorry for the multiple post, for some reason my edit screen is blank)

This Chevy official is making it clear (or at least the publication) that the car is "Track Capable". That is the perfect term for the 2014 z28... Put that man in charge!!!

“Passing the 24-Hour Test is a requirement for all cars we call ’track capable,’” said Wayne McConnell[/QUOTE

Here is the z28 lapping Milford. As you can see, the z28 is sporting a full cage and race seats...



I have to watch the video but, I'm not sure this is the video of the 1:53 run that beat the ZL1, 1LE, Boss and GT500.

What do you want to bet the Mustang's probably didn't have cages. I don't think the Boss 302 LS has a cage here, but neither does the z28. The cow camo'd z28's are the ones carrying test equipment. However, Chevy created a video of the z28 vs. Boss 302. No harnesses, race seats (like the z28 in the video) or cages are shown but the caged and seated cars time is used vs. the Laguna.

Lame...



Still laughing at the "The '12 Boss is faster than the '13 500" statement...

 

[thePill]

Okay, I need you guys to pay attention here... Watch the video below, it doesn't have the 1:53 run but, the z28 does do a 1:59. Pay very close attention how he drives the car during the lap. Slow corners that he coast around, just slow speeds in general.

IS THIS HOW YOU GUYS GOT A 1:59.97 out of the GT500!?!?! Why not show the record run of the Milford z28? Why not???
the 1:59.66 Lap starts at 0:32.


Now, after seeing them run a 1:59, then claim the GT500 ran a similar time just isn't sitting well with me. The lap starts at :32 seconds, he goes right into a turn and ***** foots it through.

My issue is, if the z28 is coasting along in some portions of the track and got a 1:59.66, I can see a coasting '13 GT500 pull a 1:59.97 the way they are driving. This is the most tasteless act of marketing to date...

The driver said he was only running the lap at about 80%, I bet that's what the Mustang's did and that was recorded as the lap. Becaue I just can't see the GT500 doing a 1:59 when I just witnessed what a 1:59 looks like in the z28. They didn't finish the second lap and their best was a 1:57.83... Again, no video of the 1:53 run and both the Boss 302 LS nor GT500 had cages, starting to wonder if they even tested the GT500 at all.

Did the ZL1 have a cage?

I was wondering how Chevy magically possessed the only Camaro's that can beat the '13 GT500. That video answered my question... Sandbagging. Watch it quick before it is removed...

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