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[dragonacc]

Gotta do what makes you happy, no sense spending money on the car if you are already tired of it.

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[mj]

Hey, it is what it is. I know myself all too well and my enthusiasm has waned. I also find myself largely at odds with an ownership group that wants to argue over such subjects as the validity of running 87 octane. When one of the hottest topics on the "Engine/Mods: Bolt-ons, Exhaust and tuning" section of the most popular board for the platform is about running the car on 87 and reduced power levels, I think I bought the wrong car.

Mike

Mike, this is just silly. It's totally understandable that the car may not be fast enough for you and you're bored of it ( I've been there ), but to think that you bought the wrong car based on an internet forum is something else. Besides, the car has only been out for a little over three months, and there isn't going to be that much mod info out yet -- there's a learning curve and it takes some time. Things evolve.

Anyway, I hope you find what you're looking for in your next purchase -- the Boss 302 is badass.

 

[mbreinin]

Mike, this is just silly. It's totally understandable that the car may not be fast enough for you and you're bored of it ( I've been there ), but to think that you bought the wrong car based on an internet forum is something else. Besides, the car has only been out for a little over three months, and there isn't going to be that much mod info out yet -- there's a learning curve and it takes some time. Things evolve.

Anyway, I hope you find what you're looking for in your next purchase -- the Boss 302 is badass.

It is hard to explain. I just feel disconnected with this car. Part of that is indeed the internet community, which is the modern day equivalent of a car club.

 

[TurboAg]

There's no overhead with the fuel system. It is pretty disappointing. Not enough fuel to make that much power. And with how long it took the N54 aftermarket to come out with fuel system improvements this car will be stuck at 350whp for a while. Had to abort an E30 tune because fuel pressure tanks dramatically.

 

[EcoSnake]

It is hard to explain. I just feel disconnected with this car. Part of that is indeed the internet community, which is the modern day equivalent of a car club.

I've never even clicked on that thread you referred to. I can only get 91 and it's tuned anyway.

I kind of think the same thing sometimes. Doesn't seem like people are too serious yet about big numbers and low track times. But It's new and people are still working out the bugs. Most of my stuff will come from Full-Race. That's still almost a month away until I get the CAI. I'm trying to stay local with Arizona companies. Getting impatient though.

 

[mbreinin]

I've never even clicked on that thread you referred to. I can only get 91 and it's tuned anyway.

I kind of think the same thing sometimes. Doesn't seem like people are too serious yet about big numbers and low track times. But It's new and people are still working out the bugs. Most of my stuff will come from Full-Race. That's still almost a month away until I get the CAI. I'm trying to stay local with Arizona companies. Getting impatient though.

I think back of when I got my Coyote. It was early on and everyone was tuning, racing, trying to figure out what was going to work...who could be the quickest, who the best tuner was, etc. There was a hard core group of like minded people on several forums and it was fun. Yeah, it was competitive and there were egos involved (there still are, just look at WMS...still bragging about their Coyote times), but it was about performance. This forum is about it for the EcoBoost. The forum over on SVT has not really gained any traction. I just think there is a different mindset with this car and it is not really my peer group. There are some guys here that are into performance in a big way, like you for example, but I think more are not. Just kind of bums me out.

 

[dadoctah]

Mike, u can't go wrong with any 5.0 coyote(especially 6r80). Good luck.
the rest of u don't be discouraged; the ecoboost has great "bones". Remember the Buick 3.8 turbo from the 80's? 250 hp, small turbo,small intercooler small fuel system.
Hotrodders did extra injectors, aux fueling, nitrous injection,alky injection, ice water/air intercoolers etc. They eventually got over 2000hp out of those lumps.
alot of mature technologies today were born then.
We've been spoiled by "easy" modding- call up xyz tuners and get the stage 3 package; hardware,software and tune ready to go. Don't worry, those packages will be out soon.
Until then, hotrodders will innovate and compensate.
This car screams for alternatives.
I would do downpipe, cai,progressive nitrous into tb with propane injection pre-turbo with willing/capable tuner. Spraying propane before turbo gives more fuel, more octane, cooler intake air and improves compressor efficiency.
100 shot anyone???
patrick

 

[mbreinin]

Mike, u can't go wrong with any 5.0 coyote(especially 6r80). Good luck.
the rest of u don't be discouraged; the ecoboost has great "bones". Remember the Buick 3.8 turbo from the 80's? 250 hp, small turbo,small intercooler small fuel system.
Hotrodders did extra injectors, aux fueling, nitrous injection,alky injection, ice water/air intercoolers etc. They eventually got over 2000hp out of those lumps.
alot of mature technologies today were born then.
We've been spoiled by "easy" modding- call up xyz tuners and get the stage 3 package; hardware,software and tune ready to go. Don't worry, those packages will be out soon.
Until then, hotrodders will innovate and compensate.
This car screams for alternatives.
I would do downpipe, cai,progressive nitrous into tb with propane injection pre-turbo with willing/capable tuner. Spraying propane before turbo gives more fuel, more octane, cooler intake air and improves compressor efficiency.
100 shot anyone???
patrick

I think there will definitely be fueling mods needed. It already runs out of fuel. Aftermarket pistons and rods are coming out for a reason as well. The big numbers will require them.

Mike

 

[Impulsed7]

Has anyone tried water/meth injection on these yet, direct port maybe? Shouldn't be hard to get something extra out of it for right now until supplemental fueling gets on board.

 

[yo ken]

Mike,

I can understand how you feel, but you need to remember that even though there are many enthusiast on this site, most are not as hardcore as you. They don't have the knowledge you have gained over the years. I think in most cases they are genuine in their posts, even when their posts come off as trivial. To them is just as important but their goals are not as hardcore as yours, most will be daily drivers.

Having said that, the members should be happy to have you here, because your testing and knowledge will also help them. They may not go all out like you, but there is allot to be gained from members such as yourself, even for the daily driver.

I too drive a 8 second, and 9 second car, but I'm not at all bored with my car. I guess because I can jump in my race cars anytime I need a go fast fix. The Mustang is a daily driver for me, and if I can get it to run mid twelves and not hurt drive-ability, I will be happy. Torrie has also been tuning my car, and I'm very pleased with the results. Hang in there Mike, this platform has tons of potential, just give it time.

There's no overhead with the fuel system. It is pretty disappointing. Not enough fuel to make that much power. And with how long it took the N54 aftermarket to come out with fuel system improvements this car will be stuck at 350whp for a while. Had to abort an E30 tune because fuel pressure tanks dramatically.

TurboAg, with all do respect, I'm not sure you are aware of what the ecoboost fuel system can support. The ST platform has already supported over 400 whp with the stock fuel system. The fuel system is not perfect, but it can handle more than you think. The key is in the tune, and when the better fuel systems become available, you will be amazed on how much power the 2.3 can make.

 

[Dirtleg]

For what it's worth I have always enjoyed your testing and sharing results with us. It will be a shame should you decide to change platforms but hey I get it. Do what makes you happy.

On another note, many of us are just barely getting our cars at the moment. Less than 2 weeks here so far. Hell it's been so cold here I can't even get on it as it just spins the tires through first and second.

I compare it to my 07' GT and it does seem more docile, not slower, but that will change once I decide to tune it. But really what we need is a larger turbo option. I know they are forthcoming and am excited to see where that leads.

And yes this forum is about it so far for the EB. Hoping more people get on board as the weather warms up and more cars are out there.

And yes the 87' octane thread is nuts. Who would put 87 in their car if they wanted to run it hard anyway?

What I want to see is who can get to 400+ whp and what it's going to take to get there. I'm sure that day is coming soon enough.

 

[JJ@WMS]

I think back of when I got my Coyote. It was early on and everyone was tuning, racing, trying to figure out what was going to work...who could be the quickest, who the best tuner was, etc. There was a hard core group of like minded people on several forums and it was fun. Yeah, it was competitive and there were egos involved (there still are, just look at WMS...still bragging about their Coyote times), but it was about performance. This forum is about it for the EcoBoost. The forum over on SVT has not really gained any traction. I just think there is a different mindset with this car and it is not really my peer group. There are some guys here that are into performance in a big way, like you for example, but I think more are not. Just kind of bums me out.

Sorry, not ego.... its called pride. :first:

To this day we are very proud of something nobody else has ever done and thats no different then another record we hold and thats with our Ford Lightning. Its the only truck that has ever run a 10 second time with the stock supercharger no nitrous. That record has been held since 2007 and we are very proud of our accomplishments but we are more proud of what our customers can do. I could list all of our customers accomplishments but you would argue its my ego and honestly this thread is not the place for it.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. These cars are fun and we are out to prove they can run just as hard and fast with simple bolts ons and good tuning, just like we did with our previously mentioned 11 Coyote.

Again, good luck,

JJ

 

[B-Fox]

Why not trade up to a '15 GT?

You can "Whipple" it and be knocking on the door of 700RWHP without breaking a sweat.

The S197 interior is a serious down grade in my opinion, but the performance capabilities are there.

 

[EcoSnake]

I barely broke 1500 miles today. Just getting used to the power once again. I spent the last 2 years in a car with 160wtq only. It was a different level of enthusiasm on the ft86club forum though . I felt like a complete newb there. But after a while it started turning into nothing but stance and rocket bunny pictures. After it was found that the drivetrain can't handle power reliably. My friends turbo frs sat in his driveway for a year with a blown motor and overheating problems. Then once you get some power it has little traction being so light. Now I see posts about sales dropping like crazy. The mustang ecoboost will go the opposite direction I think. It's drivetrain can handle and put down the power. Now just need the power.

Should rename this thread. Ecoboost enthusiasts unite! Lol

 

[RubyRed15]

It is hard to explain. I just feel disconnected with this car. Part of that is indeed the internet community, which is the modern day equivalent of a car club.

One side of me wants to mock you for being a drama queen, but the other side of me agrees completely - it is hard to believe that this car (any car, really) is making Mustang GT owners look like a mature, exclusive bunch. :lol:

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