16 Camaro prices

[mustang_guy]

Curious to see invoice prices.

Everyone knows domestic MSRP numbers are negotiating touchy feely hogwash to convince people they stuck it to the dealer by getting $1k under.

I must be alone in thinking that advertising a base GT for $33kish is crazy.

I only go for invoice pricing or below. I don't care what manufacturer it is, even Toyota. It can be done. Bought my wifes last highlander limited for invoice. Very few cars would I be willing to pay MRSP on. Cars like the gt350 etc.

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[Impulsed7]

Well factor in the suspension/brembo brakes/tires/cooling and you're spending at least $2500 on the PP on the Mustang base and that's only 19's. Prob another $250 to move up to 20s in build cost (if it was offered). Also getting the better screen that a premium would have in the Mustang in the base of the Camaro so that's prob another $200 or so at least. Trim also.

You also aren't getting drive modes or the HP/TQ.

At that point, they are near 1K apart...so the person has to decide what they want. Obvioulsy a non-PP person would/should go Mustang. But if you want all that stuff, all of a sudden the two cars are close and you are getting more in the Camaro with the HP/TQ/Screen/Higher trim.

Why would you want the heavier wheels/tires on the 4 banger (20")? I'm even swapping my stockers back to 18's...

Drive modes are built into the traction control button, even on the base models. Got regular, sport and all off.

And again, I've had that little 4 banger from GM in a much, much lighter car, and it still wasn't fast. It was rough running as well.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

I have no bias towards one or the other. who else feels this way?

I lean Mustang, but within debate, I try to stay objective.

That said, my wallet runs away from GM products since I worked in auto parts while in college and experienced a lot of customer's shit cars and problems. I wish them the best and hold out hope, but as a whole, I don't think they've produced a reasonable car (as a total pkg of power, quality, refinement, efficiency, and reliability) since the mid 80s.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

I only go for invoice pricing or below. I don't care what manufacturer it is, even Toyota. It can be done. Bought my wifes last highlander limited for invoice. Very few cars would I be willing to pay MRSP on. Cars like the gt350 etc.

Exactly. Thus the outrage and excitement over the Camaro's MSRP is little more than mental masturbation.

 

[mustang_guy]

I lean Mustang, but within debate, I try to stay objective.

That said, my wallet runs away from GM products since I worked in auto parts while in college and experienced a lot of customer's shit cars and problems. I wish them the best and hold out hope, but as a whole, I don't think they've produced a reasonable car (as a total pkg of power, quality, refinement, efficiency, and reliability) since the mid 80s.

100% this. Gm is horrible. While I like vettes. Long term quality with gm is trash. Very few manufacturers get my money. Only about 5 will ever see my money. Only way dodge would ever get my money is for a viper. :lol:

 

[garagelogic]

I think the oversized lower intake on the front of the Camaro is its worst-looking thing. However, it is not NEAR as ugly as the Corolla or Camry. The front of the Camry is outrageously ugly. The Camaro doesn't come close to that. I do think the Mustang is the better looking vehicle.

Mustang needs to add support for magnetic ride control and really should do something to compete with the HUD as well. I could see some going with the Camaro for the suspension option. The Camaro fanboys are going to buy the Camaro and the Mustang fanboys are going to buy the Mustang. The competition is for those who aren't brand loyal. Hopefully the competition makes both cars better and makes them both a better value.

I'd suggesting having or not having a HUD is not the factor the majority of car buyers base their decision on. On a list of top twenty "must-have" things, I'd hazard to guess it is at or near the bottom.

 

[Spartan]

100% this. Gm is horrible. While I like vettes. Long term quality with gm is trash. Very few manufacturers get my money. Only about 5 will ever see my money. Only way dodge would ever get my money is for a viper. :lol:

Agreed. My $$$ is in Ford stock and Ford vehicles.

Hopefully though we get lots of nice mid cycle stuff on the '17s since GM threw down a lot in their new '16.

 

[Dudie7]

Well factor in the suspension/brembo brakes/tires/cooling and you're spending at least $2500 on the PP on the Mustang base and that's only 19's. Prob another $250 to move up to 20s in build cost (if it was offered). Also getting the better screen that a premium would have in the Mustang in the base of the Camaro so that's prob another $200 or so at least. Trim also.

You also aren't getting drive modes or the HP/TQ.

At that point, they are near 1K apart...so the person has to decide what they want. Obvioulsy a non-PP person would/should go Mustang. But if you want all that stuff, all of a sudden the two cars are close and you are getting more in the Camaro with the HP/TQ/Screen/Higher trim.

Honestly, I think they are both bargains at their price points for what they offer. I mean, who can argue with 435 hp for 34k? The Camaro is a good deal, too, but you gotta be willing to drop that extra four grand. I suspect that will be a hard pill to swallow for more people than GM thinks.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Well factor in the suspension/brembo brakes/tires/cooling and you're spending at least $2500 on the PP on the Mustang base and that's only 19's. Prob another $250 to move up to 20s in build cost (if it was offered). Also getting the better screen that a premium would have in the Mustang in the base of the Camaro so that's prob another $200 or so at least. Trim also.

You also aren't getting drive modes or the HP/TQ.

At that point, they are near 1K apart...so the person has to decide what they want. Obvioulsy a non-PP person would/should go Mustang. But if you want all that stuff, all of a sudden the two cars are close and you are getting more in the Camaro with the HP/TQ/Screen/Higher trim.

One big advantage for the Mustang if we're bringing up the performance package is the size of its brakes. They are six piston, not four. And they are fifteen inches in diameter, which is *huge* (has Chevy announced the size of brakes on the 1LE yet? I bet they'll be smaller despite the extra power and comparable weight). So it's not at all fair to compare the GT PP brakes to the base SS brakes. Brake upgrades are very expensive and risky, too, and they are of critical importance if you track your car, so again, that is a significant difference.

The package includes other upgrades, too -- shorter gearing, a strut brace, K-brace, stiffer sway bars... And don't forget the badass track apps with line lock.

And personally, I prefer the 19-inchers over 20-inchers. I know the latter is more expensive, but they're just for show. I want the smallest wheels possible that will clear the brake calipers. Less unsprung weight, less rotational inertia, better ride quality, less damage prone, cheaper tires...

Also, I think Sync 3 is probably a decent bit better than Chevy's infotainment from what I've seen, but I don't have extensive experience with either, so I can't say for sure.

With all that said, I don't think either car is a significantly better or worse value than the other, but the different price points will most likely push some customers one way or another. As for people who can afford both, they still have plenty of reasons to pick one or another, too.

 

[Spartan]

Found this over on Camaro6G.

The 2016 Camaro 2SS has many more luxury and safety features that are useful for the everyday driver. These features are currently unavailable as options for the 1SS. However, the optional equipment for both groups are very similar.

Camaro 1SS $36,300.00 + DFC $995.00
Camaro 2SS $41,300.00 + DFC $995.00

STANDARD 1SS/2SS EQUIPMENT
-INTERIOR-
✓ Air bags, dual-stage frontal, thorax side-impact and knee, driver and front passenger, and head curtain side-impact, front and rear outboard seating positions, includes Passenger Sensing System
✓ Audio system, Chevrolet My Link Radio with 8" diagonal color touch-screen, AM/FM stereo with seek-and-scan and digital clock, includes
✓ Bluetooth streaming audio for music and select phones; voice-activated technology for radio and phone; featuring Apple Car Play capability for compatible phone
✓ Audio system feature, USB ports, 2 and auxiliary input jack
✓ Sirius XM Satellite Radio is standard on nearly all 2016 GM models. * Enjoy a 12-month All Access subscription
✓ Bluetooth for phone
✓ Compass display
✓ Cruise control, electronic with set and resume speed, steering wheel mounted
✓ Cup holders, 2 front
✓ Dead pedal, driver
✓ Defogger, rear-window, electric
✓ Door locks, power programmable with lockout protection
✓ Driver Information Center, enhanced, 8" diagonal multi-color re-configurable display
✓ Floor mats, carpeted front
✓ Glovebox, lockable
✓ Keyless Access with push button start and 2 remote transmitters that enable automatic door unlock and open by touching door switch
✓ LATCH system (Lower Anchors and Top tethers for CHildren), for child safety seats
✓ Lighting, front reading lamps
✓ OnStar Guidance Plan for 6 months, including Automatic Crash Response, Stolen Vehicle Assistance, Roadside Assistance, Turn-by-Turn Navigation, Advanced Diagnostics and more (trial excludes Hands-Free Calling)
✓ OnStar with 4G LTE and built-in Wi-Fi hotspot to connect to the internet at 4G LTE speeds, includes 3GB or 3 months OnStar Data Trial (whichever comes first)
✓ OnStar Basic Plan for 5 years, including limited RemoteLink mobile app services, Advanced Diagnostics and Dealer Maintenance Notification
✓ Power outlet, 1, located on center console
✓ Rear Vision Camera
✓ Safety belts, 3-point, all seating positions, includes front seat driver and front passenger safety belt pretensioners
✓ Seats, front Sport bucket
✓ Seat, rear, folding
✓ Seat adjuster, driver, 8-way power
✓ Seat adjuster, front passenger, 6-way power
✓ Shift knob, leather-wrapped
✓ Speedometer, miles/kilometers
✓ Steering column, manual rake and telescopic
✓ Steering wheel, leather-wrapped, flat-bottom
✓ Trunk emergency release handle
✓ Trunk release, power
✓ Visors, driver and front passenger vanity mirrors, covered, illuminated
✓ Windows, power with driver and passenger Express-Down/Up
-EXTERIOR-
✓ Antenna, integral rear window
✓ Antenna, OnStar and Sirius XM Satellite Radio, fin-type *Body-color.
✓ Daytime Running Lamps, LED
✓ Headlamps, high intensity discharge with automatic exterior lamp control
✓ Spoiler, rear, stanchion
✓ Tires, 245/40ZR20 front and 275/35ZR20 rear, blackwall, summer-only, run-flat
✓ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear bright 5-spoke Silver-painted aluminum
✓ Wipers, front variable-speed, intermittent with washers
-MECHANICAL-
✓ Battery rundown protection
✓ Brakes, Brembo 4-piston front and rear, performance, 4-wheel antilock, 4-wheel disc
✓ Cooling, external engine oil cooler
✓ Cooling system, extra capacity
✓ Cooler, engine coolant, auxiliary
✓ Cooler, rear differential
✓ Cooler, transmission oil
✓ Differential, limited slip *Included and only available with (MN6) 6-speed manual transmission.
✓ Driver Selector Mode, up to 4 modes available for various driving conditions - Snow/Ice, Tour, Sport and Track
✓ Engine, 6.2L (376 ci) V8 DI (455 hp [339.3 kW] @ 6000 rpm, 455 lb-ft of torque [614.3 N-m] @ 4400 rpm)
✓ Exhaust, dual-outlet stainless-steel, with bright tips
✓ Rear axle, 3.73 ratio *Included with (MN6) 6-speed manual transmission.
✓ StabiliTrak, stability control system with brake assist, includes traction control
✓ Steering, power, variable ratio, electric
✓ Suspension, Performance
✓ Transmission, 6-speed manual *Includes Active Rev Matching.

1SS EQUIPMENT
-INTERIOR-
✓ Cloth sport front buckets (Medium Ash Gray or Jet Black)
✓ Air conditioning, single-zone automatic climate control
✓ Audio system feature, 6-speaker system
✓ Mirror, inside rearview manual day/night, frameless
-EXTERIOR-
✓ Mirrors, outside power-adjustable, body-color

1SS AVAILABLE OPTIONS
❏ Sunroof, power with express open and venting ($900.00)
❏ Exhaust, dual-mode, performance ($895.00)
❏ Magnetic Ride Control ($1,695.00)
❏ Transmission, 8-speed automatic, includes transmission oil cooler ($1,495.00)
*Also includes Active Fuel Management, Remote vehicle starter system, Paddle-shift manual controls, Rear axle, 2.77 ratio
❏ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear 5-split spoke premium Gray-painted machined-face aluminum ($200.00)
❏ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear 5-spilt spoke bright Silver-painted aluminum ($200.00)

2SS GROUP EQUIPMENT
-INTERIOR-
■ Leather-trimmed sport front buckets seats (Medium Ash Gray, Jet Black, or Kalahari) *Kalahari is not available with Bright Yellow
■ Air conditioning, dual-zone automatic climate control with individual climate settings for driver and dedicated passenger controls and outside temperature display
■ Audio system feature, Bose premium 9-speaker system
■ Head-Up Display, with color digital readouts for vehicle speed, selected gear, G-Force, audio system information, high-beam indicator, compass, outside air temperature, turn signals, tachometer, vehicle messages, Turn-by-Turn information and phone information
■ Interior trim, aluminum accents on door trim and shifter cap
■ Lighting, interior spectrum, 24 different color selections
■ Memory Package, recalls 2 driver "presets" for 8-way power driver seat and outside mirrors
■ Mirror, inside rearview auto-dimming, frameless
■ Seats, heated driver and front passenger
■ Seats, ventilated driver and front passenger
■ Sill plates, illuminated
■ Steering wheel, heated
■ Universal Home Remote, includes garage door opener, 3-channel programmable
■ Wireless Charging for devices
-EXTERIOR-
■ Mirrors, outside heated power-adjustable and driver-side auto-dimming, body-color
■ Rear Park Assist
■ Rear Cross-Traffic Alert
■ Side Blind Zone Alert with Lane Change Alert

2SS AVAILABLE OPTIONS
❏ Sunroof, power with express open and venting ($900.00)
❏ Exhaust, dual-mode, performance ($895.00)
❏ Magnetic Ride Control ($1,695.00)
❏ Transmission, 8-speed automatic, includes transmission oil cooler ($1,495.00)
*Also includes Active Fuel Management, Remote vehicle starter system, Paddle-shift manual controls, Rear axle, 2.77 ratio
❏ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear 5-split spoke premium Gray-painted machined-face aluminum ($200.00)
❏ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear 5-spilt spoke bright Silver-painted aluminum ($200.00)
❏ Wheels, 20" x 8.5" (50.8 cm x 21.6 cm) front and 20" x 9.5" (50.8 cm x 24.1 cm) rear 5-spoke low gloss Black aluminum ($200.00)
❏ Audio system, Chevrolet MyLink Radio with Navigation and 8" diagonal color touch-screen, AM/FM stereo with seek-and-scan and digital clock, includes Bluetooth streaming audio for music and select phones; voice-activated technology for radio and phone; featuring Apple CarPlay capability for compatible phone ($495.00)
❏ Adrenaline Red Interior Accent Trim Package, includes Black interior with Adrenaline Red front seat inserts, door inserts and stitching on front seats, doors, steering wheel, shifter and center console ($500.00)
*Not available with exterior color (G1M) Blue Velvet Metallic, (G7D) Bright Yellow or (GD1) Hyper Blue Metallic.
❏ Ceramic White Interior Accent Trim Package, includes Black interior with Ceramic White front seat inserts, door inserts and stitching on front seats, doors, steering wheel, shifter and center console ($500.00)

GM Online Order / Reference Guide
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416538
Price Reference
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420633

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420633

 

[DavisCustoms]

4G/Wifi standard... i'm assuming so you can watch movies while waiting on the tow truck....

 

[Khell86]

Found this over on Camaro6G.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420633

Performance aside, basically the 1SS offers dual 8 inch screens and 20 inch rims over the base GT. Is that worth 4K?

 

[mustang_guy]

Performance aside, basically the 1SS offers dual 8 inch screens and 20 inch rims over the base GT. Is that worth 4K?

Maybe if youre a brother

 

[Spartan]

Performance aside, basically the 1SS offers dual 8 inch screens and 20 inch rims over the base GT. Is that worth 4K?

That though is where the $$$ is .... performance. For many it's worth it. For many it's not.

They should have just offered a PP like Ford did.

 

[Khell86]

That though is where the $$$ is .... performance. For many it's worth it. For many it's not.

They should have just offered a PP like Ford did.

Oh I'm sure it'll be faster in a straight line simply because of the A8. As for the turns, i'm still doubting its as fast without MRC.

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