10 Speed Automatic Transmission for 2016

[Twin Turbo]

Only way is to sneak into Ford HQ/Mustang Design Studio and find out or hack their system. ;)

Let me know what you find out :gossip:

And good luck

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[Double]

What would you guys think a 10 speed automatic would do for its 0-60 time and topspeed compared to the auto 6 ?

Previous gen could go up against equally powered German cars pretty well but now with the dual clutch in basically all of those vehicles including many other high tech advances they have a 0,5-1 sec quicker 0-60 time.

Even though it does look like Ford wasn't looking to compete with anyone with the 6G Mustang but rather went for style and refinement, but they must know their 0-60 time has increased vs previous gen and especially vs "competition".

 

[imjuslazy]

What would you guys think a 10 speed automatic would do for its 0-60 time and topspeed compared to the auto 6 ?

Previous gen could go up against equally powered German cars pretty well but now with the dual clutch in basically all of those vehicles including many other high tech advances they have a 0,5-1 sec quicker 0-60 time.

Even though it does look like Ford wasn't looking to compete with anyone with the 6G Mustang but rather went for style and refinement, but they must know their 0-60 time has increased vs previous gen and especially vs "competition".

Everytime a comment like this is said I just wonder if you have driven a pdk system or a zf8speed? Once you do the answer becomes clear. The transmission becomes 100% more efficient at reading what you want to do and your driving habits. It no longer feels like an automatic but a direct connection to the car.

 

[Shmoke]

GTPP

I really wish the GTPP had one more gear. 7M/8A seems enough.

I agree... Seems like the GTPP's 3.73 rear end keep the engine too busy when on the freeway...say 80mph. Although I love the power, to me it feels like there is room for one more gear.

 

[phil1336]

The same 6 Speed Automatic Transmission for the 2016 Model Run is a done deal. At this late date, all changes are set in stone. Even MY 17` is a stretch but "JOB1" for the 2016 run is right around the corner.

 

[Spartan]

So it looks like the autos in the 6G Camaro come with 2.77 axle ratios. Also it doesn't look like you can go any higher in the auto...stuck with 2.77s.

I wonder if the '17s get the 10 speed if Ford is going to go back to 2.77s so they get better MPG.

Anyone know what the MPG savings is going to be with a 10 speed compared to the 6 speed?

 

[OppoLock]

So it looks like the autos in the 6G Camaro come with 2.77 axle ratios. Also it doesn't look like you can go any higher in the auto...stuck with 2.77s.

I wonder if the '17s get the 10 speed if Ford is going to go back to 2.77s so they get better MPG.

Anyone know what the MPG savings is going to be with a 10 speed compared to the 6 speed?

Impossible to know without any information on the hypothetical 10-speed's overall gear ratios. A final drive is a multiplier; really a dependent factor on the gearbox.

 

[phil1336]

Impossible to know without any information on the hypothetical 10-speed's overall gear ratios. A final drive is a multiplier; really a dependent factor on the gearbox.

Rear Axle Gear rations not withstanding, even with adding a 10 speed Automatic Transmission over the 6 Speed now offered in the Mustang, the bottom line in Fuel Economy will largely depend on your driving habits and driving conditions. Being stuck in stop and go Urban traffic or putting your foot to the floor frequently will negate any possible MPG improvements. Looking to "hyper mile"? Time to start looking toward a Hybrid or an All Electric Vehicle. Like the saying goes, "You can`t plant cotton and expect to gather corn".

 

[Norm Peterson]

So it looks like the autos in the 6G Camaro come with 2.77 axle ratios. Also it doesn't look like you can go any higher in the auto...stuck with 2.77s.

I wonder if the '17s get the 10 speed if Ford is going to go back to 2.77s so they get better MPG.

Anyone know what the MPG savings is going to be with a 10 speed compared to the 6 speed?

The first thing people have to do here is stop looking at axle ratios with the same kind of thinking that applies to cars with 5M and 4A transmissions.

There is nothing inherently wrong with 2.77 axle gearing, assuming that the transmission is geared appropriately. Better yet, it will not require overdrive ratios as severe as, say 3.73's, to make up the same final overall gearing. Think in terms of reduced friction here, and the pressures to make mpg. Not by comparing that 2.77 number to the 4.10's that people have used with the TR3650 5M or the 5R55 5A, or the 4.88's that people in my day ran with the close ratio 4-speed manuals.


The differential housing dimensions probably force a physical limit on how numerically small the axle gear ratio can get - the lower (numerically) the axle gear, the larger the pinion gear has to get if it's going to maintain strength. This either pushes the ring gear laterally (eventually running out of room to move still further) or forces it to become thinner (i.e. weaker).


Norm

 

[phil1336]

The first thing people have to do here is stop looking at axle ratios with the same kind of thinking that applies to cars with 5M and 4A transmissions.

There is nothing inherently wrong with 2.77 axle gearing, assuming that the transmission is geared appropriately. Better yet, it will not require overdrive ratios as severe as, say 3.73's, to make up the same final overall gearing. Think in terms of reduced friction here, and the pressures to make mpg. Not by comparing that 2.77 number to the 4.10's that people have used with the TR3650 5M or the 5R55 5A, or the 4.88's that people in my day ran with the close ratio 4-speed manuals.


The differential housing dimensions probably force a physical limit on how numerically small the axle gear ratio can get - the lower (numerically) the axle gear, the larger the pinion gear has to get if it's going to maintain strength. This either pushes the ring gear laterally (eventually running out of room to move still further) or forces it to become thinner (i.e. weaker).


Norm

Norm; Glad to see you appear to have moved on from your fixation on the (evils) of Daytime Running Lights or DRL`s. Bet your next new Car comes equipped with them. Then you can devote some "Bar Stool" time to hunting under the hood or dash panel to locate the wiring harness in the hopes to clip the (evil) wire powering this eternal flame of illumination from your Headlamps.:cheers:

 

[EXP Jawa]

The differential housing dimensions probably force a physical limit on how numerically small the axle gear ratio can get - the lower (numerically) the axle gear, the larger the pinion gear has to get if it's going to maintain strength. This either pushes the ring gear laterally (eventually running out of room to move still further) or forces it to become thinner (i.e. weaker).


Norm

That's the reason that there are two differential cases for the Super 8.8, with two different flange positions. Cars with 3.15 gears (and if a 2.88 or 2.74, etc shows up) have a differential with the ring gear mounted farther from centerline. However, you're correct in that there would eventually be a physical limit as to how far they could go - but I'd be willing to bet that a pretty tall ratio could be installed before they get there.

 

[Norm Peterson]

. . . I'd be willing to bet that a pretty tall ratio could be installed before they get there.

Probably true. In other axles, I've seen OE ratios at least as low as 2.29:1, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up again just to avoid stupid amounts of overdrive.

Having more transmission gears sounds like better compromises can be reached between such competing requirements as performance, smoothness of operation, and economy. But I bet it's been causing some shifts (pun) in gearing philosophies.


phil - as an engineer (now retired) I'd much rather discuss technical matters than take umbrage at the current (and politically correct) thinking that all sorts of simple things are best done for you (because you are assumed to be incompetent?). But that doesn't mean I won't speak up from time to time. :cheers:


Norm

 

[phil1336]

Probably true. In other axles, I've seen OE ratios at least as low as 2.29:1, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up again just to avoid stupid amounts of overdrive.

Having more transmission gears sounds like better compromises can be reached between such competing requirements as performance, smoothness of operation, and economy. But I bet it's been causing some shifts (pun) in gearing philosophies.


phil - as an engineer (now retired) I'd much rather discuss technical matters than take umbrage at the current (and politically correct) thinking that all sorts of simple things are best done for you (because you are assumed to be incompetent?). But that doesn't mean I won't speak up from time to time. :cheers:


Norm

Norm;
I too am retired and will wear your badge of "incompetence" with honour. At 70, I have just learned the ability to let what (I) consider to be insignificant annoyances not consume me. Someone with your advanced intelligence I would assume would do the same and would have bigger "fish to fry". Wanna make a small wager that (if) you purchase a New Vehicle in the future it too will have DRL`s? That appears to be a more dire prediction then either ISIS or a Nuclear Iran! Keep you pair of Wire Cutters handy, lol.

 

[EXP Jawa]

Phil, I don't think that Norm was calling you incompetent - in context, he was questioning if the powers that be consider us all incompetent. You reply sounds like you thought he was insulting you, but it does not read like that to me at all.

 

[Norm Peterson]

phil - PM sent. I'm not going to poison this technical thread with details from a whole other topic any further.

On edit, Jawa has picked up the intended meaning.


Norm

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