Glenn G
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The cost of the bigger brakes alone will justify the PP cost. Most people swap out the PP suspension. Hell even Ford themselves offer two upgrades. But for me it was more cost effective to go with a car that had the PP vs the base car and add all the missing pieces.
On a GT, I agree with you 100% the PP is more than worth it for the brakes and the high revving nature of the Coyote makes it a natural match for 3.73 gears. The PP wheels on the GT look better too but are still way too damned heavy. For the Ecoboost, I can get PP brakes (Take off base GT brakes) and rotors for $500, I want the GTPP brakes which I would have to pay full price on regardless. I found some on Ebay once for ~$700, needless to say they didn't last long. The k brace (which comes with the EBPP) and Strut tower brace (Which doesn't) only set me back $180 for the ford racing pieces, I would have replaced the suspension anyways so I shouldn't count that but new-springs and re-valved dampeners was only $600 still putting me ahead. The center gauges look nice but the gauges are in a terrible spot for a quick glance, My Cobb AP sits on a vent mount on the center vent and is like having any gauge I want. So on the EB, the PP is only worth it if you want to leave it stock.
I think ford is doing it right, just see my arguments above, Though I agree that If the PP2 were available on an EB in 2015, I would have jumped on it. Just for the magride.Why does Ford offer different level of PPacks? Just fucking make one be all end all track pack like the 1LE!
It's not just a sensation, everything you describe in your second paragraph is a fact, Again, i didn't get to drive it but occasionally I can have issues seeing some lights in my city in the Mustang, They would be impossible to see if the Camaro was the first in line.One of the biggest problems the Camaro has is the sensation of poor visibility. The high belt line for example. Do you really need to see "down" out the side window? No, you need to see directly to the side, forward and back. However, when the door sill is at about chin level it "feels" like you are in a pill-box. If you are a driver of most other cars and you go sit in a Camaro it feels claustrophobic. Can you get used to it? Sure, probably within a couple days, but most people are not going to sit in the car that long before buying. You stroll into your Chevy dealer, sit in it for a couple minutes, maybe go for a 15 min test drive and during that time you will not get used to it. Sure it a nominal sports car, but it's not like it's a low/flat Lamborghini or something.
Some of the visibility issues are quite real. I had one as a rental and at many stop lights I could not see the signal directly ahead of me without ducking my head or lowering the seat further. The side windows are so small that common tasks like a drive through ATM or fast food window are a challenge.
I said it as well, you can get used to anything, especially if you love the car, but if you are on the fence, why would you make the effort for the car that is less livable day to day and less attractive visually to most people? My friend has a 5th gen and every single person we know who does not own a Camaro (including his wife) says the Mustang is the better looking car, which pisses him off to no end. Everyone (including him) admit that it has the more livable interior, usable back seat and better viability.
I really, really hate GM (but that's a topic for another thread), I don't really have anything against Camaro owners or the Camaro itself other than it's a GM product, so it's with some level of schadenfreude that I see that they built such an excellent performance car but chose to make compromises for styling that make it so deeply flawed as just a car.
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