I give you 10k for supercharger , which one are you picking and why? 🧐

[robvas]

Untouched engine. No OPG’s no IMRC delete.

people need to read this more

700hp cars getting $$$ timing kits and oil pump gears etc

you don't even need the biggest head unit and biggest Intercooler at that point. Stop overbuying and doing unneccesary "supporting mods"

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[BEERCHAMP]

people need to read this more

700hp cars getting $$$ timing kits and oil pump gears etc

you don't even need the biggest head unit and biggest Intercooler at that point. Stop overbuying and doing unneccesary "supporting mods"

Let me get this straight, the 3 cars that are running 8 seconds in the qtr have OEM oil pump gears?
And not switched over to Billet? OEM half shafts? Original two piece drive shaft?

 

[robvas]

Probably not halfshafts...Alternstive Autos Whopple car is on stock OPG too

 

[Brevin]

Let me get this straight, the 3 cars that are running 8 seconds in the qtr have OEM oil pump gears?
And not switched over to Billet? OEM half shafts? Original two piece drive shaft?

All 3 have aftermarket half shafts & driveshafts. My S650 has a stock unopened engine & stock oil pump gears. The other 2 have billet OPG I’m sure.

 

[Nate22]

If you have restrictions or certain expectations, you should probably lay them out so people can give informed responses.

Are you trying to meet California CARB requirements?

Is this for the V6 Mustang in your signature?

Ya he said "supercharger"

 

[SheepDog]

"supercharger"

Which is the wrong choice, unless he must install a CARB compliant power adder.

 

[Brevin]

Which is the wrong choice, unless he must install a CARB compliant power adder.

Wrong choice? Based on what? Title of the thread is pretty clear. He’s is asking about “superchargers” The only wrong choice in a thread about “superchargers” is a power adder that is not a “supercharger” lol.

 

[SheepDog]

Wrong choice? Based on what? Title of the thread is pretty clear. He’s is asking about “superchargers” The only wrong choice in a thread about “superchargers” is a power adder that is not a “supercharger” lol.

I have an ESS G3R,

If I had to do it over again, I'd go with a Hellion setup 10/10 times

Turbo's are better in every way.

More torque at lower RPM's than a Centri
More Horsepower up top than a PD blower
The ability to control and change boost on the fly with an electronic wastegate control
less weight
less strain on the crankshaft snout/timing sprocket/oil pump gears
more efficient

He never answered the question to begin with - why Supercharger only? What are the constraints?
Like I said, if trying to stay CARB compliant (which ESS is not) then obviously a Procharger or Whipple kit makes sense

 

[Slow Yote]

10k total? With tune and “needed” mods? ESS. 10k for just the kit? VMP.

I love my ESS kit and have around 10k (maybe 11-12 now) fully set up (drive shaft, OPG/CS, all the suspension stuff) to make 850-900. Don’t think that price can be beat for the power level.

 

[Brevin]

I have an ESS G3R,

If I had to do it over again, I'd go with a Hellion setup 10/10 times

Turbo's are better in every way.

More torque at lower RPM's than a Centri
More Horsepower up top than a PD blower
The ability to control and change boost on the fly with an electronic wastegate control
less weight
less strain on the crankshaft snout/timing sprocket/oil pump gears
more efficient

He never answered the question to begin with - why Supercharger only? What are the constraints?
Like I said, if trying to stay CARB compliant (which ESS is not) then obviously a Procharger or Whipple kit makes sense

I would disagree completely. I do this for a living and install every system including turbos. They all have their pros and cons. My car does not have turbos and is faster than 99% of turbo cars mod for mod.

This is not an argument about which power adder is best and what “your” opinion is. He asked very specifically “which supercharger would you get and why” he is not required to explain to you how he came to that decision.

There is not a one size fits all power adder. I have many customers that could not do turbos for many different reasons. Cost is 2-3X total investment, complexity is significantly higher, quality and reliability of many turbo systems is sub par. (I deal with this hands on) and some of them frankly aren’t responsible enough to have an “up arrow” to add more boost lol.

Majority of my customers and most Mustang owners want a fun and reliable daily driver that makes 650-700 on pump gas. A supercharger will do exactly that for half the cost and more reliably and still have plenty of room to grow. That covers 95% of the market.

I say we keep the thread on topic. If you want a power adder debate there’s 10,000 other threads and posts to have that debate.

 

[SheepDog]

I would disagree completely. I do this for a living and install every system including turbos. They all have their pros and cons. My car does not have turbos and is faster than 99% of turbo cars mod for mod.

This is not an argument about which power adder is best and what “your” opinion is. He asked very specifically “which supercharger would you get and why” he is not required to explain to you how he came to that decision.

There is not a one size fits all power adder. I have many customers that could not do turbos for many different reasons. Cost is 2-3X total investment, complexity is significantly higher, quality and reliability of many turbo systems is sub par. (I deal with this hands on) and some of them frankly aren’t responsible enough to have an “up arrow” to add more boost lol.

Majority of my customers and most Mustang owners want a fun and reliable daily driver that makes 650-700 on pump gas. A supercharger will do exactly that for half the cost and more reliably and still have plenty of room to grow. That covers 95% of the market.

I say we keep the thread on topic. If you want a power adder debate there’s 10,000 other threads and posts to have that debate.

Thanks Dad, I totally forgot that you are the Forum Police, and the Premiere ESS Fanboi.

I'll go ahead and respond to any thread in exactly the way I see fit, and just like you said that he is not "required" to provide context, nor am I "required" to provide the response that you like to hear. If my opinion is that a budget turbo system is better than a $10,000 Supercharger setup, then that is what it is. He can take it or leave it. I wasn't even responding anymore until Nathan wanted to point out that OP said "supercharger", like I didn't understand the assignment.

Low boost "budget" Centri systems are disappointing at best. These things really only drive they way people expect them to, when you pulley way down, and then are forced to run E85 and the supporting mods to get there.

 

[TonyT930]

ESS G3X with G4 intercooler and Wengard tune

 

[Brevin]

Thanks Dad, I totally forgot that you are the Forum Police, and the Premiere ESS Fanboi.

I'll go ahead and respond to any thread in exactly the way I see fit, and just like you said that he is not "required" to provide context, nor am I "required" to provide the response that you like to hear. If my opinion is that a budget turbo system is better than a $10,000 Supercharger setup, then that is what it is. He can take it or leave it. I wasn't even responding anymore until Nathan wanted to point out that OP said "supercharger", like I didn't understand the assignment.

Low boost "budget" Centri systems are disappointing at best. These things really only drive they way people expect them to, when you pulley way down, and then are forced to run E85 and the supporting mods to get there.

Thanks Dad, I totally forgot that you are the Forum Police, and the Premiere ESS Fanboi.

I'll go ahead and respond to any thread in exactly the way I see fit, and just like you said that he is not "required" to provide context, nor am I "required" to provide the response that you like to hear. If my opinion is that a budget turbo system is better than a $10,000 Supercharger setup, then that is what it is. He can take it or leave it. I wasn't even responding anymore until Nathan wanted to point out that OP said "supercharger", like I didn't understand the assignment.

Low boost "budget" Centri systems are disappointing at best. These things really only drive they way people expect them to, when you pulley way down, and then are forced to run E85 and the supporting mods to get there.

I’m sorry I hurt your feelings? And where in that did I mention ESS? Fanboi?

Nothing is more annoying than people that feel the need to inject their opinion on threads that have nothing to do with the topic of discussion. If you don’t like the topic then stay out of it? It’s really not hard. It always ends up being a power adder war like all the other 3,456,908 threads. We get it. It’s been hashed out literally thousands of times. You’re literally beating the dead horses skeleton into dust at this point.

My low boost centri setup runs 9’s with the stock converter and 125 pulley. And low 5’s 60-130 from a roll on the 125 pulley. Plenty have been deep 9’s and 4’s on the 120 pulley. I’m sorry if yours is “disappointing”. Mine isn’t and every single one of my customers has had an amazing experience. If that makes me a “Fanboi” I’ll wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[SheepDog]

on the 120 pulley. I’m sorry if yours is “disappointing”

I never said mine was, I said low boost "budget" Centri setups were. I have 10% OD lower and a 95 mm pulley with ESS's 8 rib conversion. Well outside of the $10,000 cap here.

We've all seen the stuff you post on FB, so yeah, ESS is your jam. It's cool, I like mine but when someone asks me what "supercharger" option to go with, the answer is "C" go with turbos

 

[Brevin]

I never said mine was, I said low boost "budget" Centri setups were. I have 10% OD lower and a 95 mm pulley with ESS's 8 rib conversion. Well outside of the $10,000 cap here.

We've all seen the stuff you post on FB, so yeah, ESS is your jam. It's cool, I like mine but when someone asks me what "supercharger" option to go with, the answer is "C" go with turbos

When you run 9’s on low boost and stock converter I’m not sure how that’s disappointing. Guess your criteria for disappointment is different than mine. I have lots and lots of happy customers that say otherwise.

The stuff I post on FB? Such as? You do understand I have worked for and represented ESS for many years right? So yes I support the company. I’m assuming you don’t work for or own a business? Are you the head “fanboi” of either of those because you support it? Are the owners of these turbo systems also fanbois? I’m sure you’ve see what they post on FB.

You do you. I weigh my customers options based on goals, budget, primary use scenario, mechanical ability etc. and pick an option that fits best. And yes sometimes that is turbos, but most of the time it isn’t.

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