Official: 2026 Dark Horse SC makes 790hp

[-RAC-]

How big is the gas tank?

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[Whitemagic1]

They just are stuck on 16gal. Even the Ford GT is the same. Not much range at all. In 1969 they came with a 20 gal tank.....

 

[DCShelby]

Let’s hope the AC system can last a few years without major overhaul

 

[Thomas]

We know and agree. but it's basically a massaged GT500 and it's just not enough 6 years later. Let's not forget, the GT500 was a handler as well.

So easy for Ford to pump this thing up. But instead it gets less power than a warrantied RTR or Shalby American.

All this waiting for "OH! DANG!" and it's just "oh. dang."

Oh agree with you and made the same argument when it came out. My comment was about the SC/GT500 compared to an FI GT.

 

[Thomas]

I guess it all comes down to what you and I consider to be the magnitude of the differences. I’m considering the total package, not just straight line acceleration.

Same here, having pushed the GT500 with track pack to its traction limits through corners many times, and having had the car at its Vmax, I'm just saying that an FI GT is a LONG way from replicating that. The differences, IMVHO, are larger than they appear on paper.

I would agree however, that the GT500 is much cheaper way of getting that difference than an SC. A GT would need significant suspension, braking and drivetrain upgrades.

 

[Mikepol2]

I'm just saying that an FI GT is a LONG way from replicating that. The differences, IMVHO, are larger than they appear on paper.

I would agree however, that the GT500 is much cheaper way of getting that difference than an SC. A GT would need significant suspension, braking and drivetrain upgrades.

So I guess here is where my thought about different people’s opinions of the magnitude of difference comes into play… For example, a 2020 GT500 ran a 2:44.6 @VIR in Car and Drivers lightning lap and a stock 2021 Mach 1 ran 2:51.4. I have maybe $12,000 invested in a blower and suspension upgrades so clearly that six second difference would be even smaller with my car. Couple similar performance with the fact that I would never buy a car without a clutch and spent substantially less money, the result is that whatever intangible and unquantifiable mystique is supposedly present with a 500 would mean nothing to me.

 

[Thomas]

So I guess here is where my thought about different people’s opinions of the magnitude of difference comes into play… For example, a 2020 GT500 ran a 2:44.6 @VIR in Car and Drivers lightning lap and a stock 2021 Mach 1 ran 2:51.4. I have maybe $12,000 invested in a blower and suspension upgrades so clearly that six second difference would be even smaller with my car. Couple similar performance with the fact that I would never buy a car without a clutch and spent substantially less money, the result is that whatever intangible and unquantifiable mystique is supposedly present with a 500 would mean nothing to me.

Yeah I figured this was probably where the disagreement arose. Not sure how how much you paid for your Mach 1, but dealers around here were selling them for about 63k fully loaded in 2021. So 12k more would put you about 19k below the VIR spec GT500 CFTP.

If you bought used of course then, its not exactly apples to apples.

But, is 6 seconds worth 19k? I guess it depends on the person. I'm guessing the more the car is tracked the more the answer is "yes" and vice versa.

 

[robvas]

It's a lot harder to equal a Mach or DH with modified GT on a race track than people think

 

[2morrow]

It's a lot harder to equal a Mach or DH with modified GT on a race track than people think

Driver mod makes a huge difference.

A crap driver in a GT500 will get smoked by an experienced driver in a base GT any day.

 

[robvas]

Driver mod makes a huge difference.

A crap driver in a GT500 will get smoked by an experienced driver in a base GT any day.

Great. But that doesn't have anything to do with the car.

 

[Hack]

It's a lot harder to equal a Mach or DH with modified GT on a race track than people think

It depends on if "equal" means the single lap minimum time with a pro driver (magazine time) must be exactly the same.

If you mean going out on normal HPDE track day with your modded GT as a probably below average driver and GT350s and Mach 1s don't whip by you and you pass some and some others pass you - then I would say from my experience it isn't that difficult. At least based the few track outings I have done. I'm talking about a functional, real world lap time in a 20 minute session driving home on the same tires you used on track rather than magazine pro driver time.

Spring/struts/sways, tune, coolers, wheels and tires. I did a swing as well on my PP1 and aftermarket brake pads only. Really nothing too crazy or extraordinarily difficult.

 

[robvas]

It depends on if "equal" means the single lap minimum time with a pro driver (magazine time) must be exactly the same.

If you mean going out on normal HPDE track day with your modded GT as a probably below average driver and GT350s and Mach 1s don't whip by you and you pass some and some others pass you - then I would say from my experience it isn't that difficult. At least based the few track outings I have done. I'm talking about a functional, real world lap time in a 20 minute session driving home on the same tires you used on track rather than magazine pro driver time.

Spring/struts/sways, tune, coolers, wheels and tires. I did a swing as well on my PP1 and aftermarket brake pads only. Really nothing too crazy or extraordinarily difficult.

Same driver, same car. You can't just say one car is as good as another because there's a poor driver that can't use it anywhere near 100%.

Vorshlag posted about how much work they had done to their GT and it was a tick behind a stock DH.

You're not just going to bolt on some shocks/struts and swaybars and equal a DH.

https://www.vorshlag.com/forums/for...elopment-2018-gt-2024-darkhorse-trigger/page6

 

[Hack]

I understand that hard numbers are very appealing to people, but the VAAAAST majority of people who track their car are not top drivers and are not consistent lap by lap. It depends on if you are spending money for bragging rights due to magazine times or if you just want to have fun with your car.

Yes, I'm sure my car isn't exactly equal to something highly engineered, but it sure seems close enough in the real world. I actually had fun doing the modifications myself.

I can say 100% a GT350 is way more fun to drive around in than my modded GT. Mostly that's the incredible engine sound and nicer interior, though.

 

[dtheo]

How big is the gas tank?

Does anyone really care when they love their car? I know I don't.....

 

[-RAC-]

Does anyone really care when they love their car? I know I don't.....

Maybe. Could depend on the use of the car.

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