Motor Trend, awhile back, reported the intercooler was "unique", i.e. different from both the base Mustang Eco and the RS. And Autoblog (again months ago) cited "a few changes in ... intercooler design." Hopefully this means we're looking at something better - admittedly that's a low bar given how poor the stock Mustang unit is.
floor pan redesign, lots of tuning, very expensive unit cost, need to engineer various adapter parts. The EB can barely muster 400lb/ft (with lots of upgrades) and the DCT would be crazy overbuilt. I expect the DCT will show up on the Raptor next. In 5 years time there might be a much cheaper DCT offering that could be rolled out to the GT/EB and lesser F150 models as a $3000-3500 option.
I'm just saying, if you believe in the law of diminishing returns (which I do), a HPP without the HP package offers you very slightly more than a tuned PP EB for a lot more money. So, it being my money, unless I'm tracking the car or just have to have 10/10ths, 9/10ths for 10K less looks like a bargain. Then, take 4K of that and go to a good driving school. Driver mods are always the most cost effective
I suppose that if FP offers a tune for the HPP that bumps it to 350HP, then you need to rethink. But there is a reason Ford discontinued the PP for the EB. It's probably because one of the engineers had a PP and did the tune and intercooler and said "damn, we should offer this as a new model and jack the price up". So they basically did. Plus, they needed a volume car to put the Spain engines in.
I find it interesting that around the 3:40 mark Carl says they have a good flowing exhaust system but only a decent charge air cooling system. Basically Ford is aware the stock intercooler sucks lol. Come on Ford it's not that much more to put a better one in the car.
You'd think revising it would be trivial - but maybe it requires re-certifying the emissions cert.
The reviews so far have shown that this is not quite accurate. Yes it is more money but it is more than a tuned PP.
I do not think ford was looking to discontinue the stand alone PP package. What they wanted to do was up the ante of the 2.3's performance and then wrapped the PP package around it. Thinking that the HPP will be a "volume" car" is hopeful thinking, at best. Now if you put this engine in every EB, maybe. I do not know what Spain's production numbers are.
OK, this is an EB thread but I'll indulge you on the Bullitt. The current dealer stock is on the dealers, not Ford. there are those still holding to MSRP or more. That's why they are sitting there. My dealer just sold the one I test drove in December.
Ford is not forcing anyone to buy anything. It will be interesting to see the numbers, 2019 PP vs 2020HPP. That will tell us the story.
That says it all. Two different cars for two different customers. Both great in their own right. Agreed?
They had to certify it for the Spain motor anyway... I think it is just a cost saving measure. I wonder if it has plastic ends like the stock EB IC...
Need I remind you about the missing horn in my 19? No matter what Ford puts in someone is going to complain it is not good enough. They balance engineering and cost. Most, but not all of the time, cost wins.
I'm sure we will find out when we get more detailed reviews. For all we know now it has a great IC. OK OK, wishful thinking.
I prefaced my response with the diminishing returns problem. If money is no object, then buy a Corvette because a C7 is the ultimate bargain right now. Also, there are no actual reviews yet, just driving impressions. We will see what the car actually does.
What floor pan modifications.....?
Can you please post the facts to back up that statement?
