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anyone take a guess at the time / distance to stop a Mustang 167->0 ?
I think they did a test a regular car slowing down from 103 mph took 240 ft. 170 would be probably 600-800 ft?
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Yes it is tires. Next limiting factor is cooling, but that's far higher.

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I know in the S197's the V6 driveshaft would fail at speeds around 135mph. Not sure if they fixed the issue with the S550's.
 

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Maybe there should be a law saying if you get rear ended in the passing lane, you are 70% at fault. Then let's see how many people hog the passing lane or cut people off in it.
Who's hogging it? The Mustang clearly has an intent to pass the GLE. Besides, Germany has driving laws that people actually follow ;)
 

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An autobahn isn't 2 lanes, I didn't think anyways
Autobahns usually are only 2 or 3 lanes each way.

Maybe there should be a law saying if you get rear ended in the passing lane, you are 70% at fault. Then let's see how many people hog the passing lane or cut people off in it.
There have been court rulings in Germany, where they ruled that if you were going a lot faster than the 'suggested speed' (which is 130kph or 81mph) you can be ruled to be partially at fault even when the guy who was going much slower moved into your lane did not look and caused the accident.
 

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I wish I had saved the email, but I didn't. I didn't follow up on what the cooling limit is, but it's a lot higher than the base limit of 121 for the V6, which is from the goodyear tire. The V6 and non-PP GT share the same radiator, and the GT is limited to 155.

The drive shaft issue is no longer and it shares the same one as the EB, which is limited to 145 in PP form.
 

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I wish I had saved the email, but I didn't. I didn't follow up on what the cooling limit is, but it's a lot higher than the base limit of 121 for the V6, which is from the goodyear tire. The V6 and non-PP GT share the same radiator, and the GT is limited to 155.

The drive shaft issue is no longer and it shares the same one as the EB, which is limited to 145 in PP form.
Thanks for clarifying that, wasn't sure if they fixed the driveshaft issue.
 

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Autobahns usually are only 2 or 3 lanes each way.

There have been court rulings in Germany, where they ruled that if you were going a lot faster than the 'suggested speed' (which is 130kph or 81mph) you can be ruled to be partially at fault even when the guy who was going much slower moved into your lane did not look and caused the accident.
what's the average speed on the Autobahns? Looking at the link below, Germany definitely has better stats than the U.S. but then a crash at 100 mph + is probably going to be a life limiting event. And if someone is poking along at 60mph, and wants to lane change, they may look in their mirror, see a car "way back there", and not guess that its doing double (or more) their speed

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that looks extremely unsafe
Nope car was stable, no issues
^ THIS

try pass a guy doing double his speed, he may be texting or distracted, or simply under-estimate your speed and abruptly change into your lane at a very inconvenient time. No amount of Brembo 6-piston is going to save you (and the other driver) from a very ugly high speed crash :headbonk: :eyebulge: :doh:
People rarely do this on the autobahn, Those that do are weeded from the gene pool rather early in their driving career. Most Germans will agree that the only shame in that is the danger to other people.

This person's location is Germany. I'm assuming Autobahn, in which case it is legal on certain stretches of the autobahn to go flat out
Yes it was/is I only do this on unlimited stretches

An autobahn isn't 2 lanes, I didn't think anyways
You obviously have never been here, Most of the Autobahn is two lanes, only the real major ones have long stretches of three or more and many of the two lanes have unlimited sections if they meet the criteria.

At 170 mph...you should have at least an auxiliary alternator to supply current for your extra 5000 watts of head lights. Your speed is about 5 times faster than your headlights can give you a view ahead.
outrunning the headlights, brakes, and driver reaction time, FTW ! :first:

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This is why American drivers suck. (I am American BTW) We have Dumbed driving down past the lowest common denominator to where any Idiot regardless of actual skill level can actually drive while paying almost no attention to the road. Our absolute safety culture is exactly why the average American is so bored on the road that they actually never really learn to drive properly. It is also why the death rate is so much higher per capita than the country where you can drive as fast as you want.
I was in Maryland in September, I was more scared at 50 than I have ever been at 150 here. Even the Animals in Germany are smarter than the US ones and have learned to stay off the road. Only in real rural areas do you rarely hear about an animal impact.

But go ahead and believe that you are safer than me on the road. Every statistic, from crime, to road safety and even health says I have have a higher life expectancy by a more than a few years over here and the Beer is better too:cheers:

Who's hogging it? The Mustang clearly has an intent to pass the GLE. Besides, Germany has driving laws that people actually follow ;)
:cool: I agree clear intent to pass, I've had to let a Lamborghini and an AMG Merc pass me but not much else so far. But if someone is faster than me I will move over too,
 

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People rarely do this on the autobahn, Those that do are weeded from the gene pool rather early in their driving career. Most Germans will agree that the only shame in that is the danger to other people.
Americans don't expect people to be doing double or triple the speed limit. For the most part, its a criminal offense punishable by jail to go way beyond the posted speed limits.

This is why American drivers suck. (I am American BTW) We have Dumbed driving down past the lowest common denominator to where any
it may not be obvious but we do have to share the road with teenagers, retirees, the disabled, immigrants, illegal aliens, etc. You really want these types speeding the highways at the maximum rated speeds of their cars?

Lots of top heavy SUVs and trucks as well. Have a high speed blow out in one of those, and its Roll Me Over and good night.

Even the Animals in Germany are smarter than the US ones and have learned to stay off the road. Only in real rural areas do you rarely hear about an animal impact.
make a great youtube video to see what happens to a Mustang and its driver as it collides with a deer at 150mph. Lots of (dumb) deer in the U.S.

But go ahead and believe that you are safer than me on the road. Every statistic, from crime, to road safety and even health says I have have a higher life expectancy by a more than a few years over here and the Beer is better too:cheers:
Good for you, may you live long and prosper. Just don't drive your Mustang 150mph while drinking that "better" Beer.
 
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Americans don't expect people to be doing double or triple the speed limit. For the most part, its a criminal offense punishable by jail to go way beyond the posted speed limits.


it may not be obvious but we do have to share the road with teenagers, retirees, the disabled, immigrants, illegal aliens, etc. You really want these types speeding the highways at the maximum rated speeds of their cars?

Lots of top heavy SUVs and trucks as well. Have a high speed blow out in one of those, and its Roll Me Over and good night.



make a great youtube video to see what happens to a Mustang and its driver as it collides with a deer at 150mph. Lots of (dumb) deer in the U.S.


Good for you, may you live long and prosper. Just don't drive your Mustang 150mph while drinking that "better" Beer.
I think you just helped me make my point. There are teenagers, old people, trucks and suvs on the road here where doing triple digit speeds is legal and the roads are still safer than the U.S. exactly because people do expect someone to come flying by at triple digit speeds so stay the hell off their phones or whatever.

Just look at the evidence. Traffic fatalities dropped sharply when they increased the highway speed limit from 55 to 75.

Anyways to get back on topic the drive shaft is fine. I explained in another thread why driveshafts on a SRA car like the 5th gen are subjected to forces that IRS eliminates. That being said, it seems like V6 cars suffer from drive shaft vibration where ECOs and GTs don't. You would think that since transmissions and Diffs are the same, the others would have more problems. Maybe Ford is using a cheaper driveshaft on V6s?
 

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I think you just helped me make my point. There are teenagers, old people, trucks and suvs on the road here where doing triple digit speeds is legal and the roads are still safer than the U.S. exactly because people do expect someone to come flying by at triple digit speeds so stay the hell off their phones or whatever.
I'd have to research this topic more, but I think a lot of our traffic fatalities are due to the drinkers. Probably a fair number on the narrow two lane farm to market roads, where cars are vulnerable to (relative) high speed small overlap crash (see jalopnik video below), or rollover. I don't imagine speeders on the multi highways run up the numbers much. Unless they are also the drinkers.

http://jalopnik.com/watch-this-absolutely-brutal-crash-test-of-a-mazda-cx-9-1560931424
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I think you just helped me make my point. There are teenagers, old people, trucks and suvs on the road here where doing triple digit speeds is legal and the roads are still safer than the U.S. exactly because people do expect someone to come flying by at triple digit speeds so stay the hell off their phones or whatever.
I also suspect we have a much larger disparity in vehicle sizes and weights, compared to Germany. We have a lot of big vehicles (e.g. 1-ton diesel 4x4) sharing the road with roads with small vehicles (e.g. Chevy Spark). If / when these two ever shall meet, it will be a bad day for the little car. Even at a modest 40mph.
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