GT350 1/4 mile

[licktensteins]

A 520hp track specialized car better have expected 1/4 times for a 520hp car given its weight. It can be a 1/10 off here or there, but it can't be a full 0.5 second slower than it should be. If you defend that, and you're just a blind fanboy willing accept substandard performance.

I agree. Putting aside any conspiracy theories about ringers and the like, when done properly 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are completely objective measures of a car's performance. Same driver, same DA, known good track prep, etc, etc.

If guys are so interested in 0-60 or 1/4 mile performance and don't want to catch BS from their friends or out on the streets or from "that Chevy crowd", they should spend their money on the fastest car and get on with life. Any other factor, such as "I like this one's looks" or "Gubmint Motors", makes them a fanboi.

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[mustangletback]

For giggles, the Motor Trend test on the Z28 was 12.3@117. What a piece of garbage! Right?!

Who would rather have a new Camaro LT1 automatic over the Z28? Show of hands? I hope nobody says yes to that!

smart people wouldnt want any kind of chevy period.:lol:
:lol::ford:

 

[Stage_3]

I watched the video a couple of times now. It's not really a quarter mile if it doesn't post time and trap speed, is it?? :shrug: :shrug:
I mean,...we still don't know how fast it is in the quarter mile.

 

[Hack]

Third gear scratch. Thats cool! ;)

My 2011 Mustang with the V6 and 3.23 rear gears would do that. I realize the GT350 has wider and stickier tires, but still not a big deal IMO, especially when it's more or less just a long chirp.

Anything in the 12s with a good driver is going to be a failure. If the A8 Camaro SS really does run a 12.3 and could potentially beat the GT350 in the 1/4 we won't hear the end of it from the Chevy boys. I know the GT350 isn't primarily a 1/4 mile car, but Ford has put effort into it's drag performance given it actually has a drag strip mode.

FAILURE, huh? So if it's similar to the 7 liter, stripped-down, too brutal for the street Z/28 it will have failed?

The R's rear tire is also almost a full inch smaller in diameter. All else being the same it's going to reach its shift points faster

Plus carbon fiber light weight rims will make a very significant difference, I believe.

If it has the right spoiler, then it's a track pack.

To amend my previous statement, let's be honest, it doesn't take a Prius. Even the Ram truck guys can make fun of the GT350 fuel economy.

It won't hurt my feelings having people tell me their pickup gets better fuel economy. If I cared about fuel economy I would buy a vehicle that really sucks to drive as well, like a Ram or Prius.

I see what you guys are saying about being a track car and less of a drag car...but I also very much agree with eric_m - there are just a few benchmarks that we typically judge cars by and in todays market - ET, trap speed, 0-60, 60-0, top speed, slalom and as of late, track times. These days, we like performance cars to do it all so I understand not wanting the 350 to be horribly lacking in a particular category. The Hellcat, for example...brute horsepower but it's going to struggle on a road course.

Some people will not admit it but some of these numbers are bragging rights with our buddies, even if we might never duplicate them during our ownership of the car.

Agreed. Not a must have, but bragging rights are certainly nice to have.

And the wheels on the R are very light, which will knock off another .1-.2.

You beat me to it. :cheers:

MT's "Best Handling Car" and they still doing drag racing with track cars?:doh:

Why not? It's fun to watch and the numbers tell you something interesting about the car's performance.

I watched the video a couple of times now. It's not really a quarter mile if it doesn't post time and trap speed, is it?? :shrug: :shrug:
I mean,...we still don't know how fast it is in the quarter mile.

Very true. Hopefully we will be finding out soon.

 

[Magpul]

What a load of crock. Fast acceleration is PART of being a good track car. A formula 1 car isn't built for straights, but it sure as hell is fast in a straight line. An 800hp F1 car is a 7 second car. Find me a specialized drag car with 800hp that can hit that. Nobody.

Snow, gas mileage, quiet? LOL, GTFO with that BS. Those are NOT equally valid arguments. You do understand that acceleration and cornering is part of track racing, while snow, mud and gas mileage are not, right? You brought in completely unrelated characteristics of a car and claimed they were equal to related characteristics.

A 520hp track specialized car better have expected 1/4 times for a 520hp car given its weight. It can be a 1/10 off here or there, but it can't be a full 0.5 second slower than it should be. If you defend that, and you're just a blind fanboy willing accept substandard performance.

You are not good at detecting sarcasm, are you?

 

[Stage_3]

Very true. Hopefully we will be finding out soon.

I agree.
I know it's not a quarter mile car, but I neither track or drag my cars. I'm just a lover of fast, good looking and loud cars. :cheers:

 

[_M_]

The reason why 0-60 and 1/4 mile are important is because that's what 95% of people out there understand and can assimilate, which is why automotive marketing still anchors to it.

The other point in question here, is it important for a track car, is relevant because there are plenty of other track focused cars that can put down some wicked 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. If Ford claims this car can beat a 991 GT3 around a track, but it can't come close to the GT3 in this trial it starts to put that claim in question in my opinion.

 

[Myshelby3425]

Alot of high hopes in here..

I see...
Gt350 in the 12.0-12.2 range
Gt350r in the 11.8-12.0 range

With its broad powerband, it's going to dominate from a roll.


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[Nataphen]

The reason why 0-60 and 1/4 mile are important is because that's what 95% of people out there understand and can assimilate, which is why automotive marketing still anchors to it.

The other point in question here, is it important for a track car, is relevant because there are plenty of other track focused cars that can put down some wicked 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. If Ford claims this car can beat a 991 GT3 around a track, but it can't come close to the GT3 in this trial it starts to put that claim in question in my opinion.

That's a flawed idea. The GT3 is rear engined and has PDK, so it will easily outrun the 350 in the quarter mile. However, on the track, the 350 will be able to stay in one gear most of the time. It will also not have to hook up from a dead stop to launch. Now, the GT3s raw straight line quarter mile acceleration from a dig starts to lose its meaning.

Most track focused cars that can also put down consistently very quick quarter mile ETs have one or more of these things going for them:

Rear weight bias or 50/50 weight distribution

All wheel drive

Dual clutch or automatic trans

Under 3600lbs. curb weight

Sophisticated launch control system

The GT350 won't have these things, but neither did the Boss or Z28. That didn't make them any less of road course cars. Pony and muscle cars are architecturally at a disadvantage just because of their footprint and drivetrain layouts. It's going to be harder to make one of them an insane all-rounder like a GTR or Z06 for example. The Mustangs and Camaros are most likely only going to be really really good at one type of racing, and just pretty good at the others.

Now, in a time where you can even mention a Camaro or Mustang in the same breath as a technologically advanced AWD Nissan GTR or track focused Porsche 911 GT3 in ANY type of competition just shows how much good ol' 'Murica has wrung out of the pony car segment. It's awesome when you think about it.

All that being said, who's stopping a 350 owner from throwing some slicks and skinnies on there and launching it hard? The engine will be great.

 

[DynamiteBlues]

wow i can't believe how good that stock exhaust sounds! Even though the car has an X pipe, all the previous road course test videos i have seen made it sound much more nasally and 'H-pipe like'. Now that's Exactly the flat plane crank, high revving tone I was hoping for.. Damn i'm too excited to hear some Corsa's on that bad boy. I need to sell my '15 ASAP and get into a GT350. What a terrible tease getting to see that with no results.. man i would be so happy if the track speed exceeded 120.

2x mustangs ago I had an '08 Gt/cs with long tubes, frpp cams, suspension goodies, paxton novi 2200SL (I used a non-intercooler pulley {lower boost} on the HO intercooled setup) made 510whp @ 6psi peak boost & trapped a little over 121 on street tires, that car was an absolute blast to drive on the street and had a very similar power band with its linear boost and tq curves. is thats what we can expect out of the new '16 GT350's.. this should be one hell of a car! even with a lower trap speed, this is everything i've been hoping for from ford for years.

 

[_M_]

[MENTION=11691]Nataphen[/MENTION]

You make some valid points, but if the GT350 is a second slower than a GT3, that's a miss in my book. I don't think this gen mustang is at a disadvantage architecturally as previous gens, so I'm not sure that point is as valid. But I do agree, this is the first time you can mention a factory Mustang in the same sentence as some of these other cars...allegedly.

:cheers:

 

[Nataphen]

I don't think it will be a second slower, but it will be significantly slower. What does the GT3 run? About 11.3s?

 

[_M_]

^ according to Porsche. Yes

 

[Bossing]

One of the big advantages for the 991 GT3 is the lightning quick shifting PDK.... plus it hooks pretty well off the line.

 

[_M_]

The shifts are incredibly quick.

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