For the MT owners: how do you downshift?

[Norm Peterson]

Its hilarous because some of the elitests are all like rev match , double clutch your synchro car. Shits ridiculous. Ive been to skip barber racing school, ive played in dog box f2000 karts blah blah. I have over 500 hours of road course time and for the street none of it really has to be done. Its preference for the street. For the track i get it, i do it. But it doesnt need to be done on the street. Jesus h christ. Some high horses in here for some people that im sure dont have tons of racing experience.

What's hilarious is your inability to separate descriptions of techniques and their advantages from insistence that everybody must use them always.

This thread asked a simple enough question, and it had nothing to do with making psychological evaluations of other contributors.

Just for you . . . there is still a situation where double-clutching an UPshift in a car with a fully synchromesh transmission not only makes sense but is actually your best option. Trust me, it's true.


Norm

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[Norm Peterson]

There's little to no benefit in learning this skill now-a-days. In the event of a clutch failure, today's modern wireless cellular telephone technology will allow one to avail one of many tow services to transport said car to nearest Ford service center for a full and complete repair.

I choose to be self-reliant. If I can get myself home through my own efforts, that is what I will do. And then I will make the "full and complete repair" myself.

Elitist to me here would be to summon other people to do all that for me, where I'd be valuing convenience over competence.

No clutch shifts? No thanks. Mine as well get an auto.

It's a useful skill, nothing more. Something that must have occurred to some of us as at least being possible and just maybe worth a little careful experimentation. I am no more likely to get an automatic either because I can shift clutchlessly or because my wife probably can't.


Norm

 

[mustang_guy]

What's hilarious is your inability to separate descriptions of techniques and their advantages from insistence that everybody must use them always.

This thread asked a simple enough question, and it had nothing to do with making psychological evaluations of other contributors.

Just for you . . . there is still a situation where double-clutching an UPshift in a car with a fully synchromesh transmission not only makes sense but is actually your best option. Trust me, it's true.


Norm

Oh i can seperate it just fine. But i can also point out more then a few posts where elitist bs took place. Funny...you werent even one of the people i was reffering to. Way to go off when it wasnt directed at you. thanks for trying to inform me like i dont know. Ill repeat it again, it is not mandatory for the street nor does it truely hurt the car. Even my instructor from back in the day said the same thing. For the track it is the only option, i completly agree. i get the preference and i understand. If many chose not to do it, some people in this thread shouldnt be making them feel like they are damaging the car. Its lies and people being elitest. Thats why i posted. Follow along here.

 

[LICobra]

I choose to be self-reliant. If I can get myself home through my own efforts, that is what I will do. And then I will make the "full and complete repair" myself.

It's a useful skill, nothing more. Something that must have occurred to some of us as at least being possible and just maybe worth a little careful experimentation.
Norm

I agree 100%, some of these guy's just don't get it, it's a skill of choice.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Oh i can seperate it just fine. But i can also point out more then a few posts where elitist bs took place. Funny...you werent even one of the people i was reffering to. Way to go off when it wasnt directed at you. thanks for trying to inform me like i dont know. Ill repeat it again, it is not mandatory for the street nor does it truely hurt the car. Even my instructor from back in the day said the same thing. For the track it is the only option, i completly agree. i get the preference and i understand. If many chose not to do it, some people in this thread shouldnt be making them feel like they are damaging the car. Its lies and people being elitest. Thats why i posted. Follow along here.

I must have missed where you excluded me.

For the 'save', the judges have scored it . . .

Norm

 

[15wile]

Double clutching and clutchless shifting, no. Rev-matching, yes. If you don't rev match your downshifts, it lurches like crazy. Your passengers will hate you. And I can't imagine it being good for the transmission. I know some folks are saying it doesn't matter but I doubt that. And even if they are right, there's still value in having smooth downshifts as opposed to lurching ones.

 

[mustang_guy]

I must have missed where you excluded me.

For the 'save', the judges have scored it . . .

Norm

It mentioned no one specifically. You assumed.

 

[15wile]

I choose to be self-reliant. If I can get myself home through my own efforts, that is what I will do. And then I will make the "full and complete repair" myself.

Elitist to me here would be to summon other people to do all that for me, where I'd be valuing convenience over competence.

It's a useful skill, nothing more. Something that must have occurred to some of us as at least being possible and just maybe worth a little careful experimentation. I am no more likely to get an automatic either because I can shift clutchlessly or because my wife probably can't.

Norm

I'd say anybody still driving stick in America is already more self-reliant than the norm. I think it's like 2% of cars that are sold with manual, now.

 

[Norm Peterson]

It's been closer to 5%, actually. GMinsidenews estimated 6% for 2014 (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f12/manual-transmission-take-rate-estimated-6-2014-a-182481/) which is in line with what Edmunds seems to have found to be current.

Though manuals have accounted for about 4% of American car sales in recent years, experts were surprised to see the percentage jump almost 3% in the first quarter of 2012, according to a report by Edmunds.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/us/manual-car-question-comeback/index.html


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

You assumed.

Of course I did. It's what everybody does when full information is lacking but the hints are there.

Even your claim of "it does not truly hurt the car" is, by itself, an assumption (ultimately, increasing the rates of accumulated wear regardless of how slight does represent some amount of "hurt"). Maybe not terminal, but still present.

In addition to the length of time that I've been driving manual transmissions (a little over 50 years) and consistently using "advanced techniques" (more than 40) I have also opened a few of them up and even rebuilt a couple myself. More successfully than a dealer's "full and proper repair" on at least one of those. Just FYI, since I doubt you assumed quite that much.


Norm

 

[15wile]

Of course I did. It's what everybody does when full information is lacking but the hints are there.

I hate that passive-aggressive sh*t like mustang_guy did. Of course he meant you, but he wanted plausible deniability too. I don't get why people do this. Nobody is fooled, and you don't get a prize for winning an argument on the internet.

Even your claim of "it does not truly hurt the car" is, by itself, an assumption (ultimately, increasing the rates of accumulated wear regardless of how slight does represent some amount of "hurt"). Maybe not terminal, but still present.

In addition to the length of time that I've been driving manual transmissions (a little over 50 years) and consistently using "advanced techniques" (more than 40) I have also opened a few of them up and even rebuilt a couple myself. More successfully than a dealer's "full and proper repair" on at least one of those. Just FYI, since I doubt you assumed quite that much.

I've been driving stick for like a total of 4 months in my life. If that. I don't know sh*t about advanced techniques. But I've got to pick and choose the ones I want to invest time in learning, and the ones that I don't. Rev-matching is important to me for smoothness and friendliness to the transmission. Clutchless... eh, don't care right now. Double-clutch... I know this, of course, but don't see a use with my car. Heel-toe... awkward and strange, but maybe someday I'll try it. Just not now.

I do want to get better at Quick shifting, though, and get better at launching. Those are very important to me! And I'm not sure if I should consider Power shifting on occasion. I know it's bad for the transmission if done frequently, but how is it if only done once in a great while?

 

[Grimace427]

I've been driving stick for like a total of 4 months in my life. If that. I don't know sh*t about advanced techniques. But I've got to pick and choose the ones I want to invest time in learning, and the ones that I don't. Rev-matching is important to me for smoothness and friendliness to the transmission. Clutchless... eh, don't care right now. Double-clutch... I know this, of course, but don't see a use with my car. Heel-toe... awkward and strange, but maybe someday I'll try it. Just not now.

I do want to get better at Quick shifting, though, and get better at launching. Those are very important to me! And I'm not sure if I should consider Power shifting on occasion. I know it's bad for the transmission if done frequently, but how is it if only done once in a great while?

The biggest thing about learning to drive a manual is being smooth. What experienced driver's do with these techniques is merely being smooth while driving fast. It all comes with practice and experience, not really something to worry about.

 

[mustang_guy]

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Of course I did. It's what everybody does when full information is lacking but the hints are there.

Even your claim of "it does not truly hurt the car" is, by itself, an assumption (ultimately, increasing the rates of accumulated wear regardless of how slight does represent some amount of "hurt"). Maybe not terminal, but still present.

In addition to the length of time that I've been driving manual transmissions (a little over 50 years) and consistently using "advanced techniques" (more than 40) I have also opened a few of them up and even rebuilt a couple myself. More successfully than a dealer's "full and proper repair" on at least one of those. Just FYI, since I doubt you assumed quite that much.


Norm

i actually wasnt reffering to you in my posts. Your posts were factual and fine. while true, youll find the majority have zero issues over the life of owning the car. Clutch life is subjective to what is done with the car. I cant debate that. The wear on the synchro isnt enough to split hairs about. Most people dont own the car long enougj to even worry about that. Sure if you want to be technical down to the t, yes its extra wear. Enough for most people to be concerned about no. While i might not be close to 60yrs old like yourself im definitely no child. and have rebuilt my fair share of transmission as well.

You know as well as i do, for the street it isnt a must. Its a preference and for the average time people keep cars it wouldnt be a possible issue til well over 100k, if at all for a street driven car.

I hate that passive-aggressive sh*t like mustang_guy did. Of course he meant you, but he wanted plausible deniability too. I don't get why people do this. Nobody is fooled, and you don't get a prize for winning an argument on the internet.



I've been driving stick for like a total of 4 months in my life. If that. I don't know sh*t about advanced techniques. But I've got to pick and choose the ones I want to invest time in learning, and the ones that I don't. Rev-matching is important to me for smoothness and friendliness to the transmission. Clutchless... eh, don't care right now. Double-clutch... I know this, of course, but don't see a use with my car. Heel-toe... awkward and strange, but maybe someday I'll try it. Just not now.

I do want to get better at Quick shifting, though, and get better at launching. Those are very important to me! And I'm not sure if I should consider Power shifting on occasion. I know it's bad for the transmission if done frequently, but how is it if only done once in a great while?

Way to be completely wrong. Stop asuming. :tsk:
itll help you in the future if you stop adding tone to text that isnt there.

 

[15wile]

Way to be completely wrong. Stop asuming. :tsk:
itll help you in the future if you stop adding tone to text that isnt there.

Keep going. Maybe you'll win a gold star!

 

[mustang_guy]

Keep going. Maybe you'll win a gold star!

Are you in your 20s/ early 30s or something? Grow up.

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