Intercooler: how did you decide?

[BigCatDan]

Keep in mind that a bigger intercooler takes longer to fill, so your spool time when throttle is applied will suffer when an upgraded turbo is used later.

The key is properly sizing the cooler to your goals. IE, bolt ons, smaller stock-ish core, or big turbo big power, big core.

So, you are saying that an IC like MAP's will spool faster than one like MMR's? Is that for low end power I assume?


To you and Juben:
For example, I am only interested in up to 450 HP. Would a IC designed for say 1000 HP give even better/faster cooling at 450HP than one rated at 550, or is that not how it works?

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[Impulsed7]

So, you are saying that an IC like MAP's will spool faster than one like MMR's? Is that for low end power I assume?


To you and Juben:
For example, I am only interested in up to 450 HP. Would a IC designed for say 1000 HP give even better/faster cooling at 450HP than one rated at 550, or is that not how it works?

The tiny stock turbo will spool fast either way, but for example, a 6266 precision turbo with ATM's giant intercooler is going to take an extra tenth of a second or so to fill the giant intercooler. Air is still a fluid, if that makes any sense, with regards to pushing it through the charge piping, cooler and intake manifold.

 

[JerseyDevil]

The tiny stock turbo will spool fast either way, but for example, a 6266 precision turbo with ATM's giant intercooler is going to take an extra tenth of a second or so to fill the giant intercooler. Air is still a fluid, if that makes any sense, with regards to pushing it through the charge piping, cooler and intake manifold.

Many aspects go into spooling times when it comes to intercooler design and yes volume is one of them however just because one intercooler is larger than another there are aspects that can negate the extra volume:

-total pressure drop accounts for how much flow losses occur from the inlet to outlet. pressure drop can be manipulated via endtank design and shape, header bar shape, fin density and charge tube height. An intercooler with 1.5psi of pressure drop will force the turbo to spool 1 psi higher than one with .5 psi of pressure drop to meet a target boost level. Manipulating the aspects that control pressure drop can negate the extra volume of a larger intercooler. The only pressure drop that is considered GOOD is that which occurs from temperature reduction as cooler air is denser and takes up less space. Cooler air generally leads to more advanced timing which also speeds up spool times...

 

[JerseyDevil]

I have to say this does look wicked, and best of both worlds.
How hard is it too install?
And
How can I get one of the first 9?;)
Like I said install isn't a major issue, but the MMR IC needs cutting and removing of stock parts (shutters) and that's a little too much. However it looks excellent.

Here is my question: Tall, or short, or brand, which is the best to not heatsoak as much at a stoplight on a 85 degree day?

Since the taller intercoolers partially cover the radiator and there's a fan behind the radiator air can be drawn through the intercooler while the car is not moving, the taller intercoolers ambient face are also much larger ie more airflow goes through the core leading to enhanced cooling while moving... We will be installing the intercooler on our car in about 2 weeks and will post install pics. our core that is in front of the radiator is 2" thick 12" tall and 20" wide.

 

[Impulsed7]

In my opinion, and evidenced from cars that I have owned and modified, the ATM cooler is too big for where the ecoboost is currently.

Now in a few months with built motors and some 6266 turbo upgrades, someone could be sittin really pretty with one of their coolers.

 

[greg hazlett]

In my opinion, and evidenced from cars that I have owned and modified, the ATM cooler is too big for where the ecoboost is currently.

Now in a few months with built motors and some 6266 turbo upgrades, someone could be sittin really pretty with one of their coolers.

Not trying to be a smart ass but can you go too big? What are the con's of it being too big for a say 350-450 hp EBM?

 

[BigCatDan]

In my opinion, and evidenced from cars that I have owned and modified, the ATM cooler is too big for where the ecoboost is currently.

Now in a few months with built motors and some 6266 turbo upgrades, someone could be sittin really pretty with one of their coolers.

Fair enough but is too big less efficient or not good for the stock setup? Say I don't want a turbo upgrade now, but next year? ATM now, then I have room to grow?

 

[JerseyDevil]

In my opinion, and evidenced from cars that I have owned and modified, the ATM cooler is too big for where the ecoboost is currently.

Now in a few months with built motors and some 6266 turbo upgrades, someone could be sittin really pretty with one of their coolers.

Our intercoolers work perfectly on stock all the way up to modified vehicles. Please take some time and search our intercoolers as compared to other manufacturers for the BMW E and F series, Abarth 500 and Mini(Helix stepped core) we are the industry standard in every market we make Intercoolers for.

The two parameters to look at are pressure drop and AITdrop/heatsoak suppression. We will be posting this data in a single gear vs stock, in a 2-3-4 gear vs stock and in back to back to back 3rd gear highway runs vs stock. Our coolers typically display better pressure drop and ait control vs stock units. Blanket statements on the size don't apply as its what's inside that counts, we uses a very dense internal fin pack so much of the volume is taken up by the heat exchange fins and our endtanks are designed to be as small as necessary with smooth transitions and rounded surfaces. Even on stock vehicles our coolers make a significant amount of power(lower ait and less pressure drop translate into a power increase as well as a more efficient system as a whole) +15hp on the stock mini - +22hp on a stock E series 335i.
Pic of the inside of the endtank, notice the flared opening and directed shape into and out of the inlet/outlet as well as rounded surfaces.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Not trying to be a smart ass but can you go too big? What are the con's of it being too big for a say 350-450 hp EBM?

You can't simply look at the external size of an intercooler and make a judgement. We don't comment on other manufacturers parts BUT in the case of our Intercoolers we size them for a stock all the way up to certain HP flow potential. At stock levels we attempt to achieve a better pressure drop and drastically improved AIT control this is done via a balance of core volume vs fin density. In our scenario we can play with these variables as we custom design our cores and their respective fin densities and charge/ambient row heights for each application...

 

[dragonacc]

You can't simply look at the external size of an intercooler and make a judgement. We don't comment on other manufacturers parts BUT in the case of our Intercoolers we size them for a stock all the way up to certain HP flow potential. At stock levels we attempt to achieve a better pressure drop and drastically improved AIT control this is done via a balance of core volume vs fin density. In our scenario we can play with these variables as we custom design our cores and their respective fin densities and charge/ambient row heights for each application...

I may have missed it, or forgotten, but what is the max hp your core will support? Thanks!

 

[JerseyDevil]

I may have missed it, or forgotten, but what is the max hp your core will support? Thanks!

The Ecoboost Intercooler can support 700hp before pressure drop becomes an issue... This is based on data from our E series BMW intercooler which has been pushed out to 600+hp...

 

[dragonacc]

The Ecoboost Intercooler can support 700hp before pressure drop becomes an issue... This is based on data from our E series BMW intercooler which has been pushed out to 600+hp...

Cool, thanks.

 

[BigCatDan]

All well and good but when can we buy it??

 

[JerseyDevil]

All well and good but when can we buy it??

Once they do the final finish on our initial unit we will have final pricing for you guys and post the initial Group Buy for the first 9 available units...

 

[TJP719]

For drag racing and the daily driver I believe any stock location intercooler will work fine.

If you do Auto X,HPDE etc you will absolutely need a larger front mounted intercooler.

This is what I'm interested in understanding. The ATM intercooler looks awesome, but is it really necessary for a daily driver? How far you're modding also comes into play but If I'm not going too crazy I'm not sure I'll ever reap the full benefits of some of these taller ICs

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