'15 GT or wait for Focus RS?

[Supa LA]

you really have to drive it like you hate it to make an AWD 4-pot fast on pavement.

in the dirt though..

It's all about keeping that boost up. If you haven't driven a turbo car before, it's way different. You don't always have a ton of power at nearly all rpm ranges like a v8 (mustang). Gearing and throttle range obviously helps, but it isn't everything. I imagine that twin scroll turbo will spool rather quickly. We shall see tho.

Any idea when the final numbers will be announced? Orders will begin around what, May?

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[Trent W]

you really have to drive it like you hate it to make an AWD 4-pot fast on pavement.

in the dirt though..

haha very true thats exactly why my buddies in the evo's didnt want to do digs they know better and want to get more than 50k miles out of there cars... they have already had gone thru the pain of replacing clutches and broken parts haha.

from the STI 0-60 forum
"on my stock 06 sti I can do around 0-62mph in 5.1 seconds. modded to 330awhp I can do 4.4 seconds in normal launch . For drag launches I once did 4.1 seconds but I busted the transmission after doing it for around 5 times"
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/the-fastest-times-forum/200019-0-60-time-6.html

I honestly dont see the RS having to do High RPM clutch drops though.... that was the main problem with the ST too much torque not enough traction. the RS will most likely be ridiculous if its anything like the rest of the ecoboost lineup. If i was ford I would have an over-boost button that would spike psi up a few pounds and have it labeled "beast mode"

 

[B-Fox]

Ecoboosts have a good track record with producing amazing torque so far, It will be exciting to see what this car is capable of doing.

I'm really looking forward to driving one, and hoping the trans and drivetrain will be built to hold up to the cars capabilities.

 

[w3rkn]

I think you keep missing my point. Talking about the ST in half my post was to explain how much nicer in terms of ride quality and interior it was.

By explaining that even if the RS is significantly better in that department which I'd assume it is, the mustang will still edge it out. If anything the ride will be stiffer and more uncomfortable than the ST due to the suspension setup and how aggressive its tuned.

I may be wrong on that but its still just speculation at this point. The reason I'm using the ST as an example is because 1. I owned one and 2 they are going to share almost all the same parts! Ford cant afford to make two different parts for everything on the car regardless of where its built its simply not cost effective. It doesn't matter if its built in Dearborn, Mexico, Brazil, or Germany its still going to be built with the same parts. Just because its 4500 miles away doesn't make that same part/frame any better.

You act as if a they have a German guy on the Assembly line that touched it with his magic finger and turned into a glass slipper. If you look at the interior/exterior of the ST and the RS they are virtually the same with some minor cosmetic alterations. In my mind the RS have the skin of the ST and the drive train of an EVO/STI and slightly more power than both of those. If by going off of that I can say without a doubt its going to be an amazing car but when comparing it to the mustang it will still come up short in many categories not all but most.

By me being on here "openly comparing the two" by using realistic numbers and experience which shattering your idea this car is going to be the be all end all of cars is misguided. How is that "trolling"? Now your attacking my thoughts on it because i might have hurt your feelings calling "economy cars" cheaper and have lower end components which is not wrong by any stretch and is a well known fact. I'm not bashing on anyone or any car but going from "MY" grocery getting economy car (which will share most of the same parts) to "MY" Mustang the difference between the two was SIGNIFICANT!

I'm not trying to downplay the ST or the RS I LOVED MY ST and it will always have a special place my my heart, I still miss it at times... You are 100% correct on the street and from a Dig The GT will be hard pressed to get it, or have to have a long road to catch and pass the RS which it will run it down eventually.

But if i can use my experience with me and some friends modded evo's tooling around and having fun as a gauge on the performance of the RS. From a 20-whatever roll it will come up short. Evo#1: intake exhaust and a tune on his IX (stage 2) with 21lbs and i could pull on him.. not much but i could. Evo#2: Evo X before he sold it was running the same bolt-ons but would spike to 30lbs and run at 26lbs. and i would get rocked in my stock GT. I can guarantee the RS wont even be on par with those stage 2 Evo's and I can run with those stock.... so go ahead try to tell me I'm wrong but i dont think you can refute much of what I said.

If it is I would love to hear it and talk about it but don't try to infer now that I have a mustang I'm better and have a huge ego. Your crossing the line into personal attacks instead of staying on the debate or comparison... Keep it civil w3rkn I don't appreciate the attitude.

Man, please use paragraphs, so we can read your post...



First, You are trying to say the RIDE & QUALITY of the RS, is inferior to the Mustang. Because you own a Mustang..

You are suggesting Ford builds the Mustang to a better standard, than they do the Lincoln, Explorer and Focus. It is laughable on your part, that because you own am Mustang, that it is now the best built Ford.
Absolutely laughable...

Even more so, when the RS is a specially built car, you are now claiming the GT350 and GT350R will be poorly derived cars, because they use the same sheetmetal as the basic Mustang...?

Are you unaware that the RS is a Ford Performance vehicle..?




Coincidentally, You didn't hurt my feelings, & you entirely missed the point... the Mustang is also an "economy" car. (I drive a BMW...)

And that somehow you feel the Mustang is manufactured to higher standard than other Ford vehicles. It is not, you may be unequipped to understand the difference in quality of materials VS quality of build, & you think they are the same..? ??


That in truth the Mustang has upscale materials over the Focus... but it is not manufactured to any greater tolerances, or quality of build. The RS will have upscale components like the GT350 has, so I fail to see your over-all point.

That you are simply talking out your behind... and you like the Mustang because it is yours. You have not even bothered to compare the RS, to a Mustang. You have only filled this thread of how different a FWD hatchback is, from a RWD sports car...! Nothing more.




Lastly, who is talking about drag racing..?

On the streets, the Mustang GT doesn't have a chance against a new RS. Only perhaps in the 1/4 mile, and on a long road courses like Nurb, COTA will the Mustang outshine this TQ hatch. I highly doubt the Mustang, without torque vectoring will be able to out handle this new RS... unless again it is 120mph+ speeds..

Again, this is not about ego, it is about grip.




I can do 0~62 in my BMW in 4.4 seconds... but that spec is pointless... because I only have 245s out back, instead of 4 tires @ 235.. same with any car with tons of HP and only 2 tires to put it all down with. It is about traction.

I can outrun Mustangs & EVOs all day... I can't imagine if my car was AWD..

 

[Hack]

Who races from 0-60 anyways?

Zero to the speed limit maybe.

Should be interesting to find out how fast the RS really is and how long the drivetrain lasts if people do 6,000 clutch dumps to try to compete with Mustangs.

 

[Chargedguard5.0]

I've owned performance cars my entire life and have never raced from 0-60. That seems kind of pointless to me.

 

[Supa LA]

haha very true thats exactly why my buddies in the evo's didnt want to do digs they know better and want to get more than 50k miles out of there cars... they have already had gone thru the pain of replacing clutches and broken parts haha.

from the STI 0-60 forum
"on my stock 06 sti I can do around 0-62mph in 5.1 seconds. modded to 330awhp I can do 4.4 seconds in normal launch . For drag launches I once did 4.1 seconds but I busted the transmission after doing it for around 5 times"
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/the-fastest-times-forum/200019-0-60-time-6.html

I honestly dont see the RS having to do High RPM clutch drops though.... that was the main problem with the ST too much torque not enough traction. the RS will most likely be ridiculous if its anything like the rest of the ecoboost lineup. If i was ford I would have an over-boost button that would spike psi up a few pounds and have it labeled "beast mode"

Sounds like that guy doesn't know how to properly launch his car. You don't just drop the clutch while revving to 5k rpms lol.

Coming from a former sti owner, 3500 is the rough ideal rpm range to hold the throttle before launch. You slip the clutch while hammering the throttle to achieve a safe and efficient launch. Guys like to say, "remove your foot from the clutch as if you just stepped in dog poo." Works great once you master it. I'm assuming the RS will be a similar type of launch situation. No need for high rpm clutch drops. That's just silly.

As for the Evo goes, they have glass transfer cases and the tranny isn't much better. That's why they rarely do digs unless they have some sort of built setup, like a dogbox etc. Unless they plain don't care lol.

Zero to the speed limit maybe.

Should be interesting to find out how fast the RS really is and how long the drivetrain lasts if people do 6,000 clutch dumps to try to compete with Mustangs.

 

[Trent W]

Man, please use paragraphs, so we can read your post...

Just because you can't read or comprehend what i said doesn't make what i said invalid. Again tone down the holier than thou attitude Mr. BMW driver I would love to debate you but again do not insult me because you cant comprehend something.. ask for clarification before you make wild assumptions and insult my intelligence. You clearly don't know how to debate someone without insults and taking it to a personal level.

your misguided points.

1. ride quality is worse because i own a mustang. wrong. Never said that.. but interior parts are cheaper and the ride will not be as smooth or as quiet

2. the mustang is the best built vehicle. wrong. Again I never said or inferred that from anything I have posted. that is entirely you imagination.

3. the 350 & 350R will be poorly derived cars of the GT. wrong. Again
never said that. both versions they will have some upgraded parts but almost all will stay the same. and in terms of drivability the GT will be nicer that the 350R because they wont have the infotainment and will be stripped of creature comforts to save weight. with stiffer suspension for the track the 350R will not be ideal for road trips and overall DD. (so depending on how "track" they go with the RS the ride quality will go down)

4. Are you aware the RS is a performance vehicle? YES! when was that ever something we were debating, or was that just an insult/troll? Are you aware the GT and the ST are also performance vehicles?

5. The mustang is an "economy" vehicle.... WRONG! don't even need to explain any further on that one haha.

6. You drive a BMW... relevance to GT vs RS?

7. I feel that the mustang is manufactured to a different standard than other ford vehicles. Correct. I feel that way because it is manufactured to a different standard duh!

My main point for bringing up the ST!
8. The RS will have upscale components like the 350. WRONG. Yes it will have upgraded driving components and parts but it will still have the same interior/exterior as the regular Focus and focus ST with some minor cosmetic changes (ST+AWD+2.3=RS). if you don't believe me look at the interior photo's of the ST vs The RS with its hard plastics and bad ergonomics. They still put the drink holders in front of the shifter to get in your way! A center console to bash your elbow on! The ST had this same problem. if you missed the center console your elbow would get stopped by your side bolster from your recaro's. You had to lift your elbow up during gear change and couldn't rest it comfortably. That's the first thing my wife complained about on our old ST. It doesn't have a leather dash, setup for optimal spirited driving, leather stitching, leather door liners, metal trim, etc... so you tell me how the mustang does not have better quality? The RS is still going to be a cramped economy car you can't get around that! Having owned both I can tell you that the interior of the Focus is inferior to the mustang! especially when it came to spirited driving. I do have to admit i liked the clutch pedal position better in the ST. "I'm not talking out of my behind" you are, I actually have owned these cars and not just spent 15 minutes on a test drive.

9. The mustang doesn't have a chance against the RS. Wrong WRONG WRONG! Yet again the RS will have to have about 300-330awhp and be under 3400lbs to be able to beat the Gt at the strip track or the street!

10. your can outrun mustangs and evo's all day. Wrong. If a 135i is tuned vs stock yes that's the only way that is possible. Even tune for tune that car is slower and cost more. but that's irrelevant to this thread anyways and beginning to think your just trolling at this point.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Jesus y'all need to calm down.

This is the third time I've had to report this thread.

 

[Moderator]

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Multiple posts flagged by members. Please take your argument to PM instead of clogging up the thread.

 

[thePill]

Yeah!!! We don't need another hero!!

Bust a deal, face the wheel!

Edit: Only here it's "Two man enter... um... two man leave...

 

[foghat]

Jesus y'all need to calm down.

This is the third time I've had to report this thread.

You didn't have to do anything. If it's bugging you that much, maybe you are the one that needs to calm down a bit.

 

[Hockeypucks]

Pretty lousy I need to unsubscribe from my own thread. I'm going with the RS but both are awesome cars. Thanks to those who could actually contribute something of relevance while staying on topic.

 

[foghat]

Pretty lousy I need to unsubscribe from my own thread. I'm going with the RS but both are awesome cars. Thanks to those who could actually contribute something of relevance while staying on topic.

I'd suggest the likelihood of any thread of this size staying completely on topic is quite small.

I think you need to look at the positives - you've got an 11 page thread with many, many relevant posts (in fact they might all be mostly relevant at this point). Heck, it might have even been the case that some of the off topic posts kept this thread active enough to receive even more on topic posts.

 

[Hockeypucks]

I'd suggest the likelihood of any thread of this size staying completely on topic is quite small.

I think you need to look at the positives - you've got an 11 page thread with many, many relevant posts (in fact they might all be mostly relevant at this point). Heck, it might have even been the case that some of the off topic posts kept this thread active enough to receive even more on topic posts.

True, I didn't mean to disrespect anyone nor ignore the positives. Lots of great comments that have led me to think about a broad spectrum of ideas and plans. Ideally I'd love to have both cars but that's not an option at this time. It'll be very difficult not to buy a Mustang though since the RS isn't anywhere near ready to buy.

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