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Poll: Is a GT500 an upgrade over a GT350?

Is a GT500 an upgrade over a GT350?


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I have a very hard time believing that Ford would do anything for nostalgia if it means not making profits for shareholders. If they knew a gazillion people would buy a car with a Voodoo and they made bank on each one, they'd be in every GT.
Really!

You never heard of the 2-year run of the 1st Gen 1969/1970 Boss 302/Boss 429 cars or maybe the 1-year run of the Boss 351 model?

How about 1-year run of the 1993 and/or the 2000 Mustang Cobra R models?

Or how about the 2-year run of the 2012/2013 Mustang Boss 302/LS?
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Eight days in. Hopefully this settles the argument. It's 50/50.

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My point exactly.
I do believe, though, that Ford wanted the GT350/R to go out with a unique engine that no other car would have. I don’t have any inside info on that, pure speculation on my part but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was at least part of their calculus.

I’m not sure how much more power they could squeeze out of it to make it an “upgrade” for an S650 car either, at least not without major changes. GM needs 6.7L to get an extra 9 horsepower over the Voodoo in the FPC for the new Grand Sport. So, other than finding different ways to dampen the vibrations, Ford pretty much got as much as they could out of the Voodoo. As I understand it, the factory tune doesn’t leave much on the table either.
 

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Really!

You never heard of the 2-year run of the 1st Gen 1969/1970 Boss 302/Boss 429 cars or maybe the 1-year run of the Boss 351 model?

How about 1-year run of the 1993 and/or the 2000 Mustang Cobra R models?

Or how about the 2-year run of the 2012/2013 Mustang Boss 302/LS?
Yep. Heard of them all. I’m not talking about option packages or names, I am talking about the motor.
 

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Sound is a preference
Also RPM
just like Color
These can be used in a simple breakdown of 'do you like it it or not'.
One of my pet peeves is the fake exhaust holes in the rear bumper. This is preference and doesn't make a difference on the car as a whole when it come to the term Upgrade.
Again, you don’t get to define upgrade for me, that’s as succinctly as I can state it. Your preferences and viewpoint inform your decision, nobody else’s. I think the GT350 exhaust tips are fine, but, I wouldn’t have done them that way. Maybe the Voodoo team didn’t want them to vibrate the diffuser off 🤣.

But, I also really dislike the Mach 1 and GT500’s Nissan GTR-esque monster tips. Trying too hard. That’s just me though.
 

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I do believe, though, that Ford wanted the GT350/R to go out with a unique engine that no other car would have. I don’t have any inside info on that, pure speculation on my part but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was at least part of their calculus.

I’m not sure how much more power they could squeeze out of it to make it an “upgrade” for an S650 car either, at least not without major changes. GM needs 6.7L to get an extra 9 horsepower over the Voodoo in the FPC for the new Grand Sport. So, other than finding different ways to dampen the vibrations, Ford pretty much got as much as they could out of the Voodoo. As I understand it, the factory tune doesn’t leave much on the table either.
100% the Voodoo wasn’t intended for mass production because the Coyote and all of its long-amortized tooling already exists. The Voodoo was a “let’s see what yall can do exercise”. Ford was never going to produce the Voodoo for 15-20 yrs.

btw, the new Corvette C8 GS uses the new 6.6 ohv ls6 like the base Stingray will. No FPC for you! The Z06 5.5 FPC is another story with its race block architecture and dual intakes etc. 670 from 5.5L is gettin it!
 

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100% the Voodoo wasn’t intended for mass production because the Coyote and all of its long-amortized tooling already exists. The Voodoo was a “let’s see what yall can do exercise”. Ford was never going to produce the Voodoo for 15-20 yrs.

btw, the new Corvette C8 GS uses the new 6.6 ohv ls6 like the base Stingray will. No FPC for you! The Z06 5.5 FPC is another story with its race block architecture and dual intakes etc. 670 from 5.5L is gettin it!
My mistake, thought I read somewhere that the GS was also getting an FPC. Might have been one of the rumor articles before it was actually launched.
 

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Yep. Heard of them all. I’m not talking about option packages or names, I am talking about the motor.
These were not option packages as much as they were unique high-performance "engines" that Ford developed for road racing, drag racing and customer use with a great deal of R&D being spent on them.

Suggest that you were not around when the Boss 302 and Boss 429 engines were launched back in the Fall of 1968 but in any event those engines were something to behold.

Then when Ford launched the Boss 351 for 1971 along with 11.7:1 compression it was by far the most unique and impressive small block V8 at that time especially when compared to GM and Mopar small blocks.

The same goes for the 2nd Gen 2012 Boss 302/LS cars with the regular production cars launching in February 2011 and with the pre-production Windsor built engines being hand built in July 2010 and owned a few of those pre-production units one of which was used as a NASCAR Pace Car.

A few of my car buddies chassis dynoed their cars Boss 302 cars with the results ending somewhat higher than the advertised 444 HP.

As is the case with the Boss 302, Boss 351 and Boss 429 engines as they will probably never be seen again and suggest that the exotic and high-strung 2015- 2020 5.2L FPC engine will fall into that same category.

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Says it all. You are still in major fanboy mode about your purchase.
Hahaha Fan Boy mode 😂. Just logical responses to each question.

Now back on topic: The GT500 is an upgrade to the Mach 1 just like it is to the GT350 :wink:
 

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Current poll count is 64 "No" and 63 "Yes."
I think that's pretty clear that many people feel that just because the gt500 is more powerful and faster around a track does NOT mean it's an upgrade.
I'd be willing to bet that a few years from now, the best examples of GT350R will be more valuable than any S550 GT500.
Even so, value itself does not indicate which one is an upgrade over the other.
I voted "No" for one simple reason (which I believe should be the metric). If you could have one of these in your garage, regardless of cost, which would you take? For me, I wouldn't trade my GT350R Base in Oxford White with OTT blue stripes for ANY mustang of ANY generation. Therefore, no GT500 would be an upgrade for me.
 

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These were not option packages as much as they were unique high-performance "engines" that Ford developed for road racing, drag racing and customer use with a great deal of R&D being spent on them.

Suggest that you were not around when the Boss 302 and Boss 429 engines were launched back in the Fall of 1968 but in any event those engines were something to behold.

Then when Ford launched the Boss 351 for 1971 along with 11.7:1 compression it was by far the most unique and impressive small block V8 at that time especially when compared to GM and Mopar small blocks.

The same goes for the 2nd Gen 2012 Boss 302/LS cars with the regular production cars launching in February 2011 and with the pre-production Windsor built engines being hand built in July 2010 and owned a few of those pre-production units one of which was used as a NASCAR Pace Car.

A few of my car buddies chassis dynoed their cars Boss 302 cars with the results ending somewhat higher than the advertised 444 HP.

As is the case with the Boss 302, Boss 351 and Boss 429 engines as they will probably never be seen again and suggest that the exotic and high-strung 2015- 2020 5.2L FPC engine will fall into that same category.

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Ah, a white ‘12. I passed up an identical 302 back in March 2012 when the ‘13 refresh was about to hit the streets. Iirc Msrp was $42,xxx and the dealer was offering it for $39,950 since they had it for a few months. Almost did it but then I found a new race red ‘12 GT/CS mt82 with hid lights that msrp at $38,400 that a dealer discounted to $30,400 with Ford rebate included.

Since it had the Boss LS wing and Boss bumpers/diffuser from the factory I just added the Boss front splitter and shift knob and Alcantara bits. Then, front Brembo caliper kit, FRP tune, GT500 axle back, FRP C springs and Koni Yellows with 275 square Pilot Super Sports. Traded it in 3 years later with 25k miles on my 8900 mile CPO ‘14 SS Sedan and dealer gave me $29,500 after I negotiated the SS down from $39,500 to $38K.
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