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Like what? Other than the brakes that most people won't get.Exactly that along with all the upgrades it has over the Shelby (sorry guys)
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Like what? Other than the brakes that most people won't get.Exactly that along with all the upgrades it has over the Shelby (sorry guys)
What upgrades over the 500? Same engine, trans, and supercharger. Handling maybe. Cooling I️ would hope. Same interior except the dash. Same wing and wickers. Same chassis. Bet it is a borla type active exhaust. I️ mean Ford really thought outside the box on this one.Exactly that along with all the upgrades it has over the Shelby (sorry guys)
If it is a limited edition the collectors definitely will buy them up. It is the nature of the beast. I️ agree with this 100 percent.Blah blah blah not a shelby blah blah blah. The sc looks awesome and ford will sell every 1 of them
As we’ve said before, o course it will be upgraded a bit and refined. It would be a laughing stock if they didn’t do so to a 6 year old car. But they won’t be doing anything groundbreaking.Exactly that along with all the upgrades it has over the Shelby (sorry guys)
I’ll try to compile a list off random automobile publications and interviews I’ve watched online basically available public data.Like what? Other than the brakes that most people won't get.
the looks are a bit of a mess. But if you like it, cool.Blah blah blah not a shelby blah blah blah. The sc looks awesome and ford will sell every 1 of them
‘as posted above, nothing groundbreaking. A bit of a spec bump for the 6 year old car. It had a carbon fiber track pack with carbon fiber wheels as well. New calibrations aren’t anything to write home about. Tire compound doesn’t count. You’ll be buying new tires pretty quickly if you drive it right. And we are really talking up software programs for traction control as some game changer?I’ll try to compile a list off random automobile publications and interviews I’ve watched online basically available public data.
It’s definitely not just the brakes — those are simply the easiest upgrade to point at. Here’s a breakdown of what’s actually improved over a 2022 GT500:
Chassis & Suspension
• Next-gen MagneRide dampers (new hardware + new control software), not just a retune
• Revised spring rates, sway bars, knuckles, and front control arms
• Forged suspension components replacing steel in key areas (lighter + stiffer)
• Magnesium structural bracing for improved rigidity and reduced mass
• Wider track and reinforced components to support higher sustained track loads
Steering & Vehicle Dynamics
• Updated steering rack and tie rods for improved response
• Revised rear suspension geometry based on GTD development learnings
• New GTD-derived Variable Traction Control with multiple driver-selectable intervention levels (not available on GT500)
Aero & Cooling (major changes here)
• New front fascia designed specifically to improve brake and engine cooling
• New aluminum hood with much larger heat extractor
• Revised underbody aero and rear diffuser for axle cooling
• Track Pack adds a ducktail decklid that improves rear wing efficiency (~10%)
• Ford-stated ~620 lb of rear downforce at 180 mph
Track Pack Hardware (yes, including the brakes)
• Optional GTD-derived carbon-ceramic brakes (GT500 was never offered with CCBs)
• Michelin Cup 2 R tires (GT500 used Cup 2, not the R compound)
• Carbon-fiber wheels with SC-specific MagneRide calibration
• Significant unsprung weight reduction when fully optioned
‘as posted above, nothing groundbreaking. A bit of a spec bump for the 6 year old car. It had a carbon fiber track pack with carbon fiber wheels as well. New calibrations aren’t anything to write home about.
I'm still thinking this car will be as much as a C8 Z06 2LZ. The carbon fiber optioned car.no doubt ford shas forecasted according to sales of this generation including the base dark horse. They’ll sell every one they make, which won’t be that many - unless they get the price low enough.
I agree what you mention is nothing revolutionary, but I think I see there are significant changes.‘as posted above, nothing groundbreaking. A bit of a spec bump for the 6 year old car. It had a carbon fiber track pack with carbon fiber wheels as well. New calibrations aren’t anything to write home about. Tire compound doesn’t count. You’ll be buying new tires pretty quickly if you drive it right. And we are really talking up software programs for traction control as some game changer?
the DHSC is a decent little spec bump from the gt500, buts essentially the bare minimum investment on the 6 year old gt500. That list is looking mighty thin.
they couldn’t exactly just plop the exact same drivetrain and software in the car with 760 hp and expect it to sell.
yeah, I think I land others have aid it out pretty well. And headlights don't make the car. Besides, they aren't a DHSC exclusive. The EcoBoost has the same design.Some people would also like the way it looks better or maybe the brighter head lights or the fact that it’s brand new calling it “nothing groundbreaking” misses how modern performance cars actually get faster. The Predator drivetrain was already near its ceiling — lap time gains may now come from chassis, aero, cooling, and control, maybe not headline power. The Dark Horse SC adds next-gen MagneRide hardware (not just a retune), revised suspension geometry, forged and magnesium components replacing steel, updated steering hardware, GTD-derived traction control, and a materially reworked aero and cooling package with higher downforce. Carbon wheels existing before doesn’t negate Cup 2 R tires, carbon-ceramic brakes (never offered on GT500), and SC-specific system calibration. Those are exactly the changes that lower lap times and keep them consistent, which is why OEMs evolve platforms If it doesn’t look impressive on paper, that’s usually because it shows up on a stopwatch. I really hate the name but this vehicle looks beautiful in person and not so much in pictures!
Here is where I️ will strongly disagree with you. The drivetrain is definitely not near its ceiling. With a different supercharger you gain 200 hp reliably. Few other minor things and you really open the predator up safely. Where the 500 fell short was in cooling which you stated they upgraded. That honestly is what I️ am most excited about. But the EPA mess with the air pumps seems like a nightmare. Will be interesting to see what the aftermarket comes up with dealing with those and dressing up the engine bay.Some people would also like the way it looks better or maybe the brighter head lights or the fact that it’s brand new calling it “nothing groundbreaking” misses how modern performance cars actually get faster. The Predator drivetrain was already near its ceiling — lap time gains may now come from chassis, aero, cooling, and control, maybe not headline power. The Dark Horse SC adds next-gen MagneRide hardware (not just a retune), revised suspension geometry, forged and magnesium components replacing steel, updated steering hardware, GTD-derived traction control, and a materially reworked aero and cooling package with higher downforce. Carbon wheels existing before doesn’t negate Cup 2 R tires, carbon-ceramic brakes (never offered on GT500), and SC-specific system calibration. Those are exactly the changes that lower lap times and keep them consistent, which is why OEMs evolve platforms If it doesn’t look impressive on paper, that’s usually because it shows up on a stopwatch. I really hate the name but this vehicle looks beautiful in person and not so much in pictures!
My guess is the base Dark Horse SC starts around $90k, with a fully loaded / carbon-equipped car topping out around $120–125kI'm still thinking this car will be as much as a C8 Z06 2LZ. The carbon fiber optioned car.
Maybe the "base" DarkHorse SC will be in the same ballpark as the C8 Z06 1LZ.
Just my opinion and my guess.
That's still A LOT of cake for the average working man., that's for sure.
I think there may be a bit of a misunderstanding on what I meant by “near its ceiling.” I wasn’t saying the Predator lacks mechanical potential — clearly it doesn’t. We’ve already seen how much headroom it has with different superchargers and supporting mods.Here is where I️ will strongly disagree with you. The drivetrain is definitely not near its ceiling. With a different supercharger you gain 200 hp reliably. Few other minor things and you really open the predator up safely. Where the 500 fell short was in cooling which you stated they upgraded. That honestly is what I️ am most excited about. But the EPA mess with the air pumps seems like a nightmare. Will be interesting to see what the aftermarket comes up with dealing with those and dressing up the engine bay.