Front End Noise Mystery

[Inthehighdesert]

Using loctite on parts isn’t a messed up fix. There’s plenty of parts on these cars that come from the factory with blue and red loctite on them. It’s used widely for a reason. That said, hope they get your car sorted. What you’re dealing with makes me appreciate the relationship I have with the service department I deal with. Unfortunately they’re not all the same;

Its called locktight but I'm not about a messed up fix, they need to find out what is wrong.

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[AngelDeath]

Using loctite on parts isn’t a messed up fix. There’s plenty of parts on these cars that come from the factory with blue and red loctite on them. It’s used widely for a reason.

This answer is correct for a variety of reasons, you have to to understand that these cars along with the driving and high speeds as well as the exhaust system rumblings will loosen nuts and bolts which loctite or other forms of thread lockers are used specifically for this reason, so its not a temp fix or a messed up fix.

But I have a very good relationship with my Service guys and everything was tried and based on all the looking umpteen times there seems to be no safety issue, so instead of the car sitting there for months and losing on driving season I took it back and drive it. And until ford actually figures it out I'll bring it back then, until then my answer for now is I am not driving the car in a hard locked left position and doing donuts all day and since this issue is all 3 generations/yrs of the GT500 AND seems to affect the 350R Generations (from the responses of others) I HIGHLY doubt they are going to find it or going to go hog nuts trying to tear the car apart to find it.

But as I said I really hope they find it if for nothing else to know what and why this is happening to majority of the cars and to have a final solution.

 

[Sonia]

This answer is correct for a variety of reasons, you have to to understand that these cars along with the driving and high speeds as well as the exhaust system rumblings will loosen nuts and bolts which loctite or other forms of thread lockers are used specifically for this reason, so its not a temp fix or a messed up fix.

But I have a very good relationship with my Service guys and everything was tried and based on all the looking umpteen times there seems to be no safety issue, so instead of the car sitting there for months and losing on driving season I took it back and drive it. And until ford actually figures it out I'll bring it back then, until then my answer for now is I am not driving the car in a hard locked left position and doing donuts all day and since this issue is all 3 generations/yrs of the GT500 AND seems to affect the 350R Generations (from the responses of others) I HIGHLY doubt they are going to find it or going to go hog nuts trying to tear the car apart to find it.

But as I said I really hope they find it if for nothing else to know what and why this is happening to majority of the cars and to have a final solution.

I'm a 42 yr old female so I don't do donuts, but I do have to pull out of my parking spot and turn to the left everyday. I can't park anywhere else I've had that spot for 10 yrs and have bad OCD lol. When I turn around in my parents driveway I have to do the same thing which is turning sharp left. There is no way around avoiding it.

Thanks for the info though.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

It’s interesting. You brought up majority of these cars have this issue. I have three of these cars currently and one previously. None of mine have had this issue. None of my buddy’s that have these cars as well have had this issue either. My buddy that’s a master tech for Ford currently hasn’t had any in with the issue either. Not wishing an issue on myself or anyone I know but it would be nice have a point of reference on what the actual sound the cars that do have the issue make. My 550’s have had a similar situation in the steering columns occassionally. Usually when its very cold, that sounds like a hydrolic pump wine. Occurs only at initial startup and goes away after a few seconds. That’s never been sorted. What’s really weird on that one is it’s only on my 550 service trucks. My 450 plat has never done it.

This answer is correct for a variety of reasons, you have to to understand that these cars along with the driving and high speeds as well as the exhaust system rumblings will loosen nuts and bolts which loctite or other forms of thread lockers are used specifically for this reason, so its not a temp fix or a messed up fix.

But I have a very good relationship with my Service guys and everything was tried and based on all the looking umpteen times there seems to be no safety issue, so instead of the car sitting there for months and losing on driving season I took it back and drive it. And until ford actually figures it out I'll bring it back then, until then my answer for now is I am not driving the car in a hard locked left position and doing donuts all day and since this issue is all 3 generations/yrs of the GT500 AND seems to affect the 350R Generations (from the responses of others) I HIGHLY doubt they are going to find it or going to go hog nuts trying to tear the car apart to find it.

But as I said I really hope they find it if for nothing else to know what and why this is happening to majority of the cars and to have a final solution.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Question. Forgive me if you answered this. Is it happening every time at a full hard lock? Does it still occur if that hard lock is backed off in the slightest? Hope that makes sense.

I'm a 42 yr old female so I don't do donuts, but I do have to pull out of my parking spot and turn to the left everyday. I can't park anywhere else I've had that spot for 10 yrs and have bad OCD lol. When I turn around in my parents driveway I have to do the same thing which is turning sharp left. There is no way around avoiding it.

Thanks for the info though.

 

[TonyNJ]

Question. Forgive me if you answered this. Is it happening every time at a full hard lock? Does it still occur if that hard lock is backed off in the slightest? Hope that makes sense.

Mine doesn't do it if I back off of the left turn a bit. I've had about 6 different S550s, this issue effected 2 of them. One of the PP2s and one of the GT500s. I think it's in the steering rack but I'm told replacing that didn't fix someone else's car.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Funny. They replaced my racks on my 550’s and it didn’t fix it. This really reminds me of some of the various pops that come out of my heavy equipment at times. Depending on the machine, my old bobcat tracked loader for example, if you had the controls in one very certain specific pattern you’d get a pump whine. The slightest tweak of the controls and nada. My excavator boom will get metal pops depending on ambient temperatures as well. I wish I could hear one do it to see if it sounds more mechanical or structural. When I had cars on a rack doing repairs could always get the structure to make noise when doing the pulls. I’m ocd with stuff like most of you and it would probably drive me bat …. crazy not being able to at-least pinpoint what the issue is. My sympathies for those that are dealing with this.

Mine doesn't do it if I back off of the left turn a bit. I've had about 6 different S550s, this issue effected 2 of them. One of the PP2s and one of the GT500s. I think it's in the steering rack but I'm told replacing that didn't fix someone else's car.

 

[AngelDeath]

I'm a 42 yr old female so I don't do donuts, but I do have to pull out of my parking spot and turn to the left everyday. I can't park anywhere else I've had that spot for 10 yrs and have bad OCD lol. When I turn around in my parents driveway I have to do the same thing which is turning sharp left. There is no way around avoiding it.

Thanks for the info though.

I get it, dont get me wrong, its frustrating, but it doesn't appear to be a safety issue at this present time based on all the looking at the front end, if this is ever found as to the cause then it will be more apparent if it is or not. But I understand, I just meant we are all not driving our cars at full speed hard locked to the left all the time, if anything its exactly what you said to get in and out of spots.

It’s interesting. You brought up majority of these cars have this issue. I have three of these cars currently and one previously. None of mine have had this issue. None of my buddy’s that have these cars as well have had this issue either. My buddy that’s a master tech for Ford currently hasn’t had any in with the issue either. Not wishing an issue on myself or anyone I know but it would be nice have a point of reference on what the actual sound the cars that do have the issue make. My 550’s have had a similar situation in the steering columns occassionally. Usually when its very cold, that sounds like a hydrolic pump wine. Occurs only at initial startup and goes away after a few seconds. That’s never been sorted. What’s really weird on that one is it’s only on my 550 service trucks. My 450 plat has never done it.

Go through this thread and you will see its not one year model but all 3 GT500 years, and no not every single car has this issue based on the responses, but enough that between the GT500 and the 350R it shows there is a pattern, what that is I dont know. If the bodies and signatures like the engines do then maybe we could narrow it down (Like the internal timing chain issue we were looking into)

Question. Forgive me if you answered this. Is it happening every time at a full hard lock? Does it still occur if that hard lock is backed off in the slightest? Hope that makes sense.

No if you dont hard lock it to the left and back off a bit it doesnt happen at least not that I remember (I said I would put up a video of mine doing it, will do that today).

Mine doesn't do it if I back off of the left turn a bit. I've had about 6 different S550s, this issue effected 2 of them. One of the PP2s and one of the GT500s. I think it's in the steering rack but I'm told replacing that didn't fix someone else's car.

I had my rack replaced 5 times (its in my service invoice) thats not the issue. But what Sonia said about the firewall bolts being torqued is what I would love to know exactly which ones so i can have that tested out since she said it stopped when they did it for the couple of months.

 

[Sonia]

I said

I get it, dont get me wrong, its frustrating, but it doesn't appear to be a safety issue at this present time based on all the looking at the front end, if this is ever found as to the cause then it will be more apparent if it is or not. But I understand, I just meant we are all not driving our cars at full speed hard locked to the left all the time, if anything its exactly what you said to get in and out of spots.



Go through this thread and you will see its not one year model but all 3 GT500 years, and no not every single car has this issue based on the responses, but enough that between the GT500 and the 350R it shows there is a pattern, what that is I dont know. If the bodies and signatures like the engines do then maybe we could narrow it down (Like the internal timing chain issue we were looking into)



No if you dont hard lock it to the left and back off a bit it doesnt happen at least not that I remember (I said I would put up a video of mine doing it, will do that today).



I had my rack replaced 5 times (its in my service invoice) thats not the issue. But what Sonia said about the firewall bolts being torqued is what I would love to know exactly which ones so i can have that tested out since she said it stopped when they did it for the couple of months.

I said I didn't pay attention because I trusted it to be fixed, I typically get in my car with the radio down and gear it but once I got it backed after they did that I had ny radio up. I work at a hospital so those few months were horrible and I just didn't pay attention. I personally think it's in the sterring shaft, thing whatever goes to the body for the wheels lol shit I think I'm right but whatever.

 

[AngelDeath]

I said

I said I didn't pay attention because I trusted it to be fixed, I typically get in my car with the radio down and gear it but once I got it backed after they did that I had ny radio up. I work at a hospital so those few months were horrible and I just didn't pay attention. I personally think it's in the sterring shaft, thing whatever goes to the body for the wheels lol shit I think I'm right but whatever.

Ah didnt see that part, so for all intent and purposes you dont know for sure if it was fixed due to the radio being up, ok understandable, My wife's a Nurse too so I get the stress level. And its not the steering column or the rack or the yolks as all mine have been replaced 5 times. Truly if that was the case it wouldn't matter which way you turn the wheel, it would do it in both directions.

My guess at this point is a loose bolt and loose I meant not properly torqued, because with my it ONLY happens when you first hard lock it to the left and inch forward, after it does the noise and you stop the car and then inch forward again it does not do the sound, not until you straighten out the wheel inch forward, stop and hard lock the wheel again and then inch forward, the only way I see this being found is by setting up a camera by the steering rack and the firewall.

 

[ortizluis927]

Using loctite on parts isn’t a messed up fix. There’s plenty of parts on these cars that come from the factory with blue and red loctite on them. It’s used widely for a reason. That said, hope they get your car sorted. What you’re dealing with makes me appreciate the relationship I have with the service department I deal with. Unfortunately they’re not all the same;

I agree

I said

I said I didn't pay attention because I trusted it to be fixed, I typically get in my car with the radio down and gear it but once I got it backed after they did that I had ny radio up. I work at a hospital so those few months were horrible and I just didn't pay attention. I personally think it's in the sterring shaft, thing whatever goes to the body for the wheels lol shit I think I'm right but whatever.

So What will be your next steps? Will you let them figure out again, insist on the retorque, or both?

If it were me, I'd tell them to do the retorque using the loctite. You gotta ask yourself, were you happy when they did that fix and it worked? Just my two cents. But at the end of the day it is your car and your decision. I really hope they help you out.

 

[AngelDeath]

I agree

So What will be your next steps? Will you let them figure out again, insist on the retorque, or both?

If it were me, I'd tell them to do the retorque using the loctite. You gotta ask yourself, were you happy when they did that fix and it worked? Just my two cents. But at the end of the day it is your car and your decision. I really hope they help you out.

Reread what you quoted, she said after they "fixed" it she had the radio up and didnt pay attention, so based on this there is no evidence it was fixed as she had the radio up and when that happens you cant hear anything.

 

[Sonia]

I agree

So What will be your next steps? Will you let them figure out again, insist on the retorque, or both?

If it were me, I'd tell them to do the retorque using the loctite. You gotta ask yourself, were you happy when they did that fix and it worked? Just my two cents. But at the end of the day it is your car and your decision. I really hope they help you out.

It's not going to work! Ford said turn in back in but since I'm in a HORRIBLE marriage I'm scared too because you can't take the rentals out of town and I may need to go. They has it for about 6 weeks last time when they changed the struts.

 

[Sonia]

Reread what you quoted, she said after they "fixed" it she had the radio up and didnt pay attention, so based on this there is no evidence it was fixed as she had the radio up and when that happens you cant hear anything.

Thank you! This is the last that I need is to worry about a car that has 35,000 miles on it, my safety and getting away is more important right now because I never know when I just need to leave. I have family but they don't have room for me, so if I need to go to the beach for a weekend, I can't in a rental.

 

[AngelDeath]

Thank you! This is the last that I need is to worry about a car that has 35,000 miles on it, my safety and getting away is more important right now because I never know when I just need to leave. I have family but they don't have room for me, so if I need to go to the beach for a weekend, I can't in a rental.

My car has 12K+ and my guess (going out on a limb here) is that I do a lot more spirited driving then you do, and I'm still here with no issues with this situation, so if nothing else, myself and everyone else here so far has not had any safety issues arise due to this, so I would say for now unless myself or someone else comes back with a different story I would say your safe, but lets see what Ford comes up with, or even how hard they are going to try and pin point it.

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