Electric for everyone - the impossible dream

[Balr14]

After suffering with the cars we had from 1973 to 1989, EVs would be easy to live with.

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[Shelbeast]

It is not going to happen, electric is NOT portable enough. How will all the 4 wheelers survive in the wild is a good place to start.

A 5 gal jerrycan full of electrons ............LMAO

Drones will know your GPS and they will fly to your spot and charge you up while you drive around. Will be all over the place and a subscription. You know, matrix shit.

 

[sk47]

Drones will know your GPS and they will fly to your spot and charge you up while you drive around. Will be all over the place and a subscription. You know, matrix shit.

Hello; My neighbor is into drones. He has several. Some costing thousands. The two or three he has shown me can only fly maybe ten to fifteen minutes and have limited load capacity. That you imagine a drone will be able to carry a heavy battery pack many miles into the woods is cute. I will need to see proof of concept before i can believe this.

 

[Shelbeast]

Hello; My neighbor is into drones. He has several. Some costing thousands. The two or three he has shown me can only fly maybe ten to fifteen minutes and have limited load capacity. That you imagine a drone will be able to carry a heavy battery pack many miles into the woods is cute. I will need to see proof of concept before i can believe this.

mega drone, 2018 record: 220 lbs.

 

[sk47]

mega drone, 2018 record: 220 lbs.

Hello; Is this a common capacity or some sort of special build just to get a record. next question will be how far did the mega drone carry the 220 pounds? Last question is their a 220 pound recharge pack of some sort available which can recharge a BEV off road vehicle?

 

[2016S550]

There are a lot of competing agendas, and it muddies the waters around legislation, infrastructure and EV tech itself.

There are guys who actually believe in the tech and a green future (Musk) and then there are entrenched interests (politicians) who care about staying in office and simply paying lip service to ESG (Environmental and Social Governance) initiatives. They go where money and public support goes.

Then you have the groups actually driving these initiatives all on the name of a better world. The UN, and very very large asset managers who control most of the worlds assets. Blackrock ESG, Rockefeller Institute, Soros’s various foundations, Gates Foundation etc.They don’t care about EVs, or the climate. They simply use it as a globally binding interest to sway public interest to drive choices by politicians and legislation to in-turn alter corporate and individual behavior. This is not conspiracy, it’s just what they do. It’s how the money flow is setup.

I would view EVs less as a vehicle, but as a sensor on 4 wheels. “Safety” legislation requiring more sensors and monitoring on cars moving forward allow for unprecedented data collection outside and inside the vehicle. With an EV, everything can be exactly monitored and collected before being sent back to a cloud sever. It is all very convenient and people will adopt it for that reason

There is enormous buildout in server farms, and 6G networks happening right now to support global data collection for cell phones, cars, smart home devices, media devices, etc. The company I work at (power industry) has been struggling to get parts as we have been competing with an enormous amount of post Covid industrialization geared towards centralized networking, data, AI and computing. This centralization is even being discussed in the power industry as global communication standards are being pushed to track and monitor power usage (this is the industry I work in as an engineer).

These topics and concepts are standard fare in engineering publications we get. So, I’m not explicitly anti EV as I love the performance gains but I will refuse to buy any integrated and networked vehicle without first disabling the networking link. This is also why I utterly hate the idea of a car requiring software updates to function. But…people will still buy due to convenience and being pushed towards it without really seeing what is happening.

Regarding implementation, thmuch of this is simply being rammed through regardless of effectiveness or merits. Nearly every global company of the 155 that signed ESG agreements (essentially “Woke” initiatives) proposed by the UN, did so because they did not want to lose financing from the global banks that drive ESG initiatives and have control of most international sources of funding. Only one company stated they actually did it for the environment. The UN also has influence over WHO and IMF funding for international and developing market investments.

We should waste less, and treat our world better, and there is a lot of abuse of resources and land in addition to a lot of confusion. But at the highest levels, I do not believe for a second that the climate or planet is the focus. It is just a global rallying cry being used to push agendas that increase control over resources and you.

I recommend looking into ESG scores. Essentially they are a global rating used to determine which companies have access to funding. This is at the heart of why Bud Light went woke, and subsequently lost billions. They marketed to a demographic that did not even form a part of their customer base in order to boost their ESG score and access to funds, instead of actually paying attention to their customers. But if brands are beholden to debt to run and expand their business, then this ESG score (basically a corporate social score) can be weaponized to force them to push the agenda of the institution lending them the money. Vote with your money while you still can, the power it will very much with us everyday folks but you have to care enough to change your habits and purchasing patterns/sources. Ongoing education is key as well. So many people just do not care anymore and that is a win for the ESG crowd.

*puts tinfoil hat back on*

100% spot on. I’ve resigned myself that there absolutely nothing that I can do to combat these initiatives. My option was to turn off the news and live in my small bubble. It’s not worth losing sleep over and everything you stated is why I wish I was born 20-30 years earlier than I was. You have only scratched the surface of globalism. A lot of what you touched on has Soros written all over it, throw in CEI and television and the attack on a civilized society. Money and power at the expense of our quality of life.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Is this a common capacity or some sort of special build just to get a record. next question will be how far did the mega drone carry the 220 pounds? Last question is their a 220 pound recharge pack of some sort available which can recharge a BEV off road vehicle?

EGO POWER+ Z6 42-in Lithium Ion Electric Riding Lawn Mower in the Electric Riding Lawn Mowers department at Lowes.com

Hello; The electric riding mower linked above may have features relevant to the question. I have been shopping for a mower and looked this on over. The mower comes with four battery packs which look much like the type which plug into power tools. Ad says it will mow 2 acres (roughly two football fields) with the four included. Mower will hold six battery packs so you have to buy two more at additional cost.

I have no idea how the two acre mowing capacity would translate to miles of trail driving.

One thing i have noticed is the high price of this and other electric mowers. My guess is there are no EV incentives for them so you pay the real cost. Makes the cost of an EV mower about twice that of an ICE mower.

 

[KingKona]

Easily explained. I'm 80 yo and I have several physical conditions that mean my driving days are numbered. I have bought my last car and it will be sold in a few years with very low miles. I also am hearing impaired, so the sound of ICE doesn't mean much. So, this is all academic to me. I kind of wish I could be around to see how this all ends up, but that isn't going to happen. In the meantime, I use about 100 gallons of gas a year... not enough to make gas prices an issue or justify an EV.

No one asked you about your personal life, or how EVs do or do not fit into it.

Evidently this is hard for you to understand, but the world doesn't revolve around you. There's billions of other people to be concerned about when we discuss EVs. People that actually pay the taxes that support them (at huge profit margins), and people that are looking at a future of being forced to use something that doesn't work.

It's easy for you to tell the rest of us to "RELAX!", when you're not going to be around to suffer the consequences of your communistical attitudes and perspectives.

 

[KingKona]

The lifespan of one of these packs is well over 10 years.

First of all, right now most EVs are toys, or around-town short distance runners. They're not being pressed into service like standard vehicles.

So sure......the average life span of a their batteries is probably 8-10 years.....for garage queens. Like every other battery, they have a finite amount of charge cycles they last, and their performance degrades steadily over time.

So.......at 10 years they have probably 1/2 the performance from when new.

None of this even touches the issues of power supply and distribution. Or the severe safety issues.

 

[junits15]

First of all, right now most EVs are toys, or around-town short distance runners. They're not being pressed into service like standard vehicles.

So sure......the average life span of a their batteries is probably 8-10 years.....for garage queens. Like every other battery, they have a finite amount of charge cycles they last, and their performance degrades steadily over time.

So.......at 10 years they have probably 1/2 the performance from when new.

None of this even touches the issues of power supply and distribution. Or the severe safety issues.

none of this is true at all, they are daily drivers. My coworker is sitting right next to me right now drives his model Y two hours each way to vt every week. No issues at all, the car is 3 years old with 70k on it. Zero issues. He lives in an apartment and relies on superchargers for all his charging, the car is outside year round in Massachusetts. Hess one of many people I know using their EV's in a similar way.

The car has a 250 mile actual range, my mustang has identical range.

 

[KingKona]

none of this is true at all, they are daily drivers. My coworker is sitting right next to me right now drives his model Y two hours each way to vt every week. No issues at all, the car is 3 years old with 70k on it. Zero issues. He lives in an apartment and relies on superchargers for all his charging, the car is outside year round in Massachusetts. Hess one of many people I know using their EV's in a similar way.

The car has a 250 mile actual range, my mustang has identical range.

Just because it works for your co-worker, doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

He drives it two hours? So? What does that mean? That could mean 2 miles or 140+ miles. Either way, it falls within the battery performance, even if it's dropped by 30% over the last 3 years.

All the rest you described is the "around town short distance" use I mentioned earlier. So, it's no less of a $50K+ toy than your Mustang.

 

[junits15]

Just because it works for your co-worker, doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

He drives it two hours? So? What does that mean? That could mean 2 miles or 140+ miles. Either way, it falls within the battery performance, even if it's dropped by 30% over the last 3 years.

All the rest you described is the "around town short distance" use I mentioned earlier. So, it's no less of a $50K+ toy than your Mustang.

Your just being a contrarian, its about a 300 mile round trip. Do you sincerely believe I would bring up a short trip as some kind of evidence? lmfao

 

[KingKona]

Your just being a contrarian, its about a 300 mile round trip. Do you sincerely believe I would bring up a short trip as some kind of evidence? lmfao

300 miles. So he charges it at his destination.

O.k.

 

[Balr14]

No one asked you about your personal life, or how EVs do or do not fit into it.

Evidently this is hard for you to understand, but the world doesn't revolve around you. There's billions of other people to be concerned about when we discuss EVs. People that actually pay the taxes that support them (at huge profit margins), and people that are looking at a future of being forced to use something that doesn't work.

It's easy for you to tell the rest of us to "RELAX!", when you're not going to be around to suffer the consequences of your communistical attitudes and perspectives.

Damn, you are the easiest person I ever encountered when it comes to pushing their buttons. You have soo many! You are going to give yourself an ulcer.

 

[KingKona]

Damn, you are the easiest person I ever encountered when it comes to pushing their buttons. You have soo many! You are going to give yourself an ulcer.

Nope.

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