GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

there are still plenty of sources that aim for integrity in their reporting.

Could you post up one or two?

A good read,

I'll read it but the concept smells right now. Seems pretty convienient to find climate hazards with hydrogen when we are on a brink of making it viable.

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[sk47]

Here is the link to the article I was referencing.
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/mitsubishi-no-big-evs-until-battery-costs-energy-density-improve

EV’s DO work for us. That’s the point. Are you deliberately misunderstanding again?

We didn’t elect not to buy an EV (or hybrid) on the basis that it doesn’t work for us. We didn’t buy one because the vehicle we need doesn’t exist in our market, unless I move to a more exotic brand, which then puts the nearest dealership more than 4 hours away, which would be fine for a weekend toy (like the Ducati) not so much when it’s the sole mode of transport for an entire family. My wife can’t drive a manual, so the Mustang is off limits.

If Ford (or any number of other manufacturers with dealerships local to me) had the vehicle we need, we’d have bought it already because it’s SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper for us to go that way.

This is the last time that I’m going to repeat myself on this topic. I’ve made it clear. Deal with it.

Hello; Thanks for the link. I will read it.

I guess you get to look at things any way you wish. The comment in bold above sure sounds like an EV does not work for you. Dealers a long way off is common for me, so i get that bit. You need a vehicle and the EV's cannot be found to fit your needs.

 

[Burkey]

Could you post up one or two?

I'll read it but the concept smells right now. Seems pretty convienient to find climate hazards with hydrogen when we are on a brink of making it viable.

Reuters and Australia’s ABC would be two for a start.
AP have historically been pretty neutral, have they not?

If you read the article you may have a slightly different understanding of what‘s being said.
I‘d prefer to read the actual source material but I can’t find it. But that’s the issue isn’t it? We are trusting that the information is being accurately represented. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I can’t say either way without access to the original material.
In an age where links are so easily embedded, it really should be mandatory that they include them.

 

[K4fxd]

maybe, the problem you’re having is that you see the media as only having two sides.

This might be true, I see things as BS and not BS. When I see phrases like so an so falsely says......... or when we see pictures of police cars on fire and the report says "the protest is peaceful".........
and yes it is mostly left and right because all our news sources are left leaning. Even the much maligned Fox news.

 

[K4fxd]

Reuters and Australia’s ABC

Reuters have been slanted also. I'll look at Australia’s ABC. The AP may be in some things but I still find many instances where the reporter is trying to sway the reader into believing the "story" instead of just reporting what happened.

 

[K4fxd]

Example.

A class 4 hurricane hit south Florida, many people are displaced and damage is widespread.

A class 4 hurricane, caused from climate change has hit south Forida, these storms are getting worse and the amount of damage is unprecedented.

 

[sk47]

Hello; Thanks for the link. I will read it.

I guess you get to look at things any way you wish. The comment in bold above sure sounds like an EV does not work for you. Dealers a long way off is common for me, so i get that bit. You need a vehicle and the EV's cannot be found to fit your needs.

Hello; Afraid I do not see the bias you cited.

 

[K4fxd]

A good read, but I’m not entirely sure that I understand exactly what it all means in terms of moving forward on hydrogen.

in which researchers modeled the effect of hydrogen emissions on atmospheric methane.

Would be nice to know how they modeled it. I don't trust computer models unless it can be replicated with a physical model. Been around too many engineers who computer model things then when it gets built things happen the computer did not predict.

National Science Foundation
Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation

I will bet my life if I went to either of these foundations, armed with charts and graphs, computer models and other evidence, and asked for a grant to make models that disprove man made climate change I'd get laughed out of town.

If I worded it the other way, models that PROVE man made climate change. They would hand me a blank check.

 

[K4fxd]

Hello; Afraid I do not see the bias you cited.

I read the entire article. No where did I see any obvious bias.

 

[martinjlm]

I would have thought, that more would have been done by now. BMW had started looking at this technology back as early as 2002. But we have to champ for multiple ways of propulsion and fuels. I say this because choice allowed for competition. Competition amongst manufacturers has always led for the consumer to win.

Yeah, it’s been worked on for a while…
1966 GM Electrovan Concept.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Yeah, it’s been worked on for a while…
1966 GM Electrovan Concept.

Pretty awesome read. My dad worked at Union Carbide for 13 yrs. He is a machinist by trade. He’s had his one business 14K sqft shop for close to 40 yrs. But back to the read. Pretty awesome to know this was already a thought back in the late 60s. Toyota right now says that their 5KW cell has a rage of about 380-400 miles and definitely a lot lighter lol. I think Toyota will definitely be in the forefront of hydrogen powered cars. I don’t know if it’ll be embraced world wide though.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Afraid I do not see the bias you cited.

You’ve replied to yourself. Who did you intend to reply to?

 

[Burkey]

Reuters have been slanted also. I'll look at Australia’s ABC. The AP may be in some things but I still find many instances where the reporter is trying to sway the reader into believing the "story" instead of just reporting what happened.

I actually need to walk back my comment slightly.
After making the comment, I went and took a look at a report from our ABC. Now, historically, they have a good record of keeping the opinions of the journalists out of the equation.
The piece I read was………..trash. I’m utterly amazed that it made it past the editors desk. Not the norm by their standards whatsoever, but it just goes to show that the odd one might slip through from time to time.

 

[Burkey]

Would be nice to know how they modeled it. I don't trust computer models unless it can be replicated with a physical model.

Well…..it just so happens that they do that with the climate models.
You take the old data, input the figures, let the computer do the simulations and then compare the results from the computer with what actually happened.

Thats precisely how you test the accuracy of the specific model under test.

 

[sk47]

Well…..it just so happens that they do that with the climate models.
You take the old data, input the figures, let the computer do the simulations and then compare the results from the computer with what actually happened.

Thats precisely how you test the accuracy of the specific model under test.

Hello; Interesting. Back in the science is cancelled thread climate models were brought up. I found instances where the models were not closely matching what actually happened and posted the information.
Did not save the links however. Should still be in that thread someplace before page 600. If memory serves one where the model was fed historical data and missed modern day outcomes by a significant fraction. Another where the creator of a model acknowledged an issue.

I worked with testing an animal population model back in 1993. Not writing just as an early end user.

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