Installing supercharger yourself, whos done it?

[msalvoni]

I've got the stage II tune, my Tomahawk has those options as "Unavailable". The flight control and octane adjust might be for the stage I only.

The tomahawk is Whipple's tuning device. If you buy their complete kits (Stage 1 or 2) you get everything you need including injectors, BAP, tuning device, and tune. I did the OPG/CS and installed everything myself in my garage. I would not say it is difficult, but it is time consuming and can be intimidating at times.

If you have never owned a supercharger car (this is my first) then I don't think you can go wrong with any of the kits. The extra kick of of power when the boost comes on is going to make you giggle like a little kid regardless of when it happens. I'm sure that over time I will start to determine what little things I would like to change. If making tweeks and upgrades to my current system doesn't work, then I know I will need a different setup all together.

Do you know if they will provide an e 85 tune? Can you run e85 with jsut what comes in the Whipple kit (no boost a pump)?

thanks for the info greatly appreciated.

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[msalvoni]

I've done Vortech, Procharger and Whipple. Whipple components require no hose cutting. All complete with stock like ends. Procharger instructions were better and less than 1/2 the install time of the Whipple. I would do either again. They are both very good. But, the Procharger easier than putting headers on.

As already said, PD blowers like Whipple give more off idle toque, but these days the Procharger has off idle, though less than the Whipple. However I believe the Procharger builds power smoother and seems to make more power with less boost.

Thank you for the info, again this makes me think more about the procharger. Ive been leaning towards whipple but the ease of install sounds great and its less expensive for procharger, I am just trying to do my research and see how and where the torque and HP are. My favorite place to be is between 3-6k rpm and just want that solid pull in that range.

Im trying to undertand what is needed along with kits. IE:: boost a pump injectors etc.

 

[Adamone92]

Do you know if they will provide an e 85 tune? Can you run e85 with jsut what comes in the Whipple kit (no boost a pump)?

thanks for the info greatly appreciated.

Dont believe they will do an e85 tune. Not sure. May have to go lund, pbd, or something for that

You will need a fuel system for e85. You cannot run it on what comes with kit. Boost a pump will be used on even 93 until you at least get an upgrade fuel pump.

If you want a fuel system go fore or division x. Sai is a budget one but recommended to go with the other two

@TheJackal i believe started selling an affordable one too. Might wanna talk to him some as well

I believe whipple comes with fuel rails..boost a pump..and 1000cc injectors like my odin did. Not sure about procharger. I doubt it comes with rails but prob comes with injectors and bap. Not sure what size injectors but you can check when checking options for kit.

 

[Jackson1320]

Thank you for the info, again this makes me think more about the procharger. Ive been leaning towards whipple but the ease of install sounds great and its less expensive for procharger, I am just trying to do my research and see how and where the torque and HP are. My favorite place to be is between 3-6k rpm and just want that solid pull in that range.

Im trying to undertand what is needed along with kits. IE:: boost a pump injectors etc.

To run a procharger on pump gas The kit has everything you need. To run e85 just some lu47 injectors and your good. Once you break 700hp you will need a boost a pump

 

[JDUBU]

OP- I went with a vortech v3 and installed the kit in my storage unit. Honestly the lethal triple pump fuel.system install was harder than the blower. I love the power delivery and street manors with the a10. Now the mistake I made in the past was following the heard and doing a twin turbo set up on my 6spd fifth gen camaro. Many vendors and friends told me I'd be happier with a pd on a manual street car, they were right. You loose alot of boost in a manual car during shifts ( turbo or centri ) where the PD systems are quicker to get back into the power. In short I like centri and turbo on autos and pd on a manual. Just my 2 cents

 

[NotQuik]

Did OPG and Whipple install in the garage on jack stands with basic tools, it really wasn't bad at all. Just take your time and read the instructions carefully. I think the Lethal Triple Fuel Pump setup was a little more challenging personally.

Since you don't seem to be in a hurry and if you like to tinker, I say do it yourself. It'll give you a better understanding of where things go and what they do if something were fail in the future.

 

[msalvoni]

To run a procharger on pump gas The kit has everything you need. To run e85 just some lu47 injectors and your good. Once you break 700hp you will need a boost a pump

3 questions for you if you dont mind

1. I have 2017 stock injectors with a lund e85 tune, would putting better injectors in there give me more power with a new tune?

2. Would you say that same thing if it was the edlbrock stage 1 (that lu47 would be good for e85)

3. You dont think a boost a pump is needed with an edlbrock stage 1 with lu 47s and an e85 tune?

 

[Adamone92]

3 questions for you if you dont mind

1. I have 2017 stock injectors with a lund e85 tune, would putting better injectors in there give me more power with a new tune?

2. Would you say that same thing if it was the edlbrock stage 1 (that lu47 would be good for e85)

3. You dont think a boost a pump is needed with an edlbrock stage 1 with lu 47s and an e85 tune?

A lot of this depends on your tuner. Some wont time a supercharged vehicle for e85 without a full fuel system.

Decide 1 or 2 tuners you might want, and call them up and ask them. They will give you the best answer of what they require.

 

[Jackson1320]

3 questions for you if you dont mind

1. I have 2017 stock injectors with a lund e85 tune, would putting better injectors in there give me more power with a new tune?

2. Would you say that same thing if it was the edlbrock stage 1 (that lu47 would be good for e85)

3. You dont think a boost a pump is needed with an edlbrock stage 1 with lu 47s and an e85 tune?

1. No. The injectors are only supplying fuel that the engine is asking for. So unless your injectors are damaged or wrong size there’s no reason to change them.
2. Yes. Because there’s 16 injectors lu47 plus the DI injectors together are enough.
3. depends on how much h.p your making. If you want to use the car to it’s full potential then ether a boost a pump or a larger fuel pump will be needed

 

[GreenS550]

1. No. The injectors are only supplying fuel that the engine is asking for. So unless your injectors are damaged or wrong size there’s no reason to change them.
2. Yes. Because there’s 16 injectors lu47 plus the DI injectors together are enough.
3. depends on how much h.p your making. If you want to use the car to it’s full potential then ether a boost a pump or a larger fuel pump will be needed

The 2017 and down only have standard port fuel injection not direct injection like the 18s. My understanding is they do not have as good a fuel system as the 18s and up. So I don't know if your answers are appropriate for this person.

 

[WhinRR]

3 questions for you if you dont mind

1. I have 2017 stock injectors with a lund e85 tune, would putting better injectors in there give me more power with a new tune?

2. Would you say that same thing if it was the edlbrock stage 1 (that lu47 would be good for e85)

3. You dont think a boost a pump is needed with an edlbrock stage 1 with lu 47s and an e85 tune?

1 injectors will only give you power when you are running out of fuel. So unless max effort NA build then probably not
2. Don’t risk this! E85 requires much larger injectors bc e85 requires more volume of fuel per combustion cycle. Too little injector that can’t keep up with the extra air being forced in would make car run lean. Running too lean = blown engine!

Either do a fuel system swap or stay 93.
There’s a reason tuners say fuel system or no e85 with FI.

 

[Jackson1320]

The 2017 and down only have standard port fuel injection not direct injection like the 18s. My understanding is they do not have as good a fuel system as the 18s and up. So I don't know if your answers are appropriate for this person.

This person said he has a 18 mustang gt. So with 16 injectors he’s good

 

[Jackson1320]

1 injectors will only give you power when you are running out of fuel. So unless max effort NA build then probably not
2. Don’t risk this! E85 requires much larger injectors bc e85 requires more volume of fuel per combustion cycle. Too little injector that can’t keep up with the extra air being forced in would make car run lean. Running too lean = blown engine!

Either do a fuel system swap or stay 93.
There’s a reason tuners say fuel system or no e85 with FI.

With 16 injectors he’s good for now

Right...

Tell that to all the PD people saying it drives like stock.

You do know it doesn't just "instantly" go into boost when you are careful with the throttle..right?

When data logging for lund..they even told me NOT to go into boost until things were logged and revised.

Why would they say that if it is instantly in boost off of idle?

Dont spew false info you dont know about.

if your careful? Right there says it doesn’t drive like stock. You don’t have to be careful with a centrifugal because it really drives like stock until you want it to. No need to drive like a Girl Scout.
Maybe you should watch what you spew. Like I said it doesn’t drive like stock.
A little respect could have prevented this pissing contest

 

[WhinRR]

With 16 injectors he’s good for now

Why would you risk it? He would be good until he’s not. Also, without fuel pumps to supply the additional fuel to the injectors.. the car will be fuel starved at higher RPM’s. I would trust the word of the big name coyote tuners out there that understand fuel curves better than others and either stay 93 with moderate boost or install return style to turn it up.

 

[Adamone92]

With 16 injectors he’s good for now

if your careful? Right there says it doesn’t drive like stock. You don’t have to be careful with a centrifugal because it really drives like stock until you want it to. No need to drive like a Girl Scout.
Maybe you should watch what you spew. Like I said it doesn’t drive like stock.
A little respect could have prevented this pissing contest

there was a pissing contest? where? I completely forgot we were even having this conversation until you revived it. You seem to be pissing alone my friend.

"if you're careful" means not flooring it, not "driving like a girl scout". If you floor any boosted car its not going to "drive like its stock"; otherwise why would we spend around $10k on it? lol

you act like there is no way you are incorrect, when I am not the only one making this claim. But ok. Think what you want, it really makes no difference to me. Im not the one making claims that aren't true about a system I don't have. You are the ONLY person this entire thread that has disagreed, others even having PD blowers. I offered you to come test the car, yet you still seem personally offended about something.

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