Ford Underseal fix...... disappointed.

[Entai]

Hate to be devils advocate,, but you do all realise having ANY body work done by a non authorised by Ford shop voids all bodywork and paint warranty, and that includes having underseal put on.

You get a Ford 12 year anti perforation warranty on new cars, bu only if no un-authorised work is done, and only if you get the vehicle checked by a Ford garage once a year.

Warranty details and FAQ's here

https://www.ford.co.uk/owner/my-vehicle/warranties/faqs

Notice the oft repeated phrase....

• "Repairs using methods that have not been approved by Ford."

The word "repairs" includes un-authorised work such as under sealing. I know this as my brother had a Escort Cosworth many moons ago. It also arrived with no underseal, so he had some put on, not by a Ford garage however.

Almost to the day three years later rust started to appear and Ford would not touch it will someone else's barge-pole, let alone theirs, as work had been done to the car without their authorisation.

Went to crown court, and the lost case was appealed through the supreme court, but Fords "small print" was as tight as the proverbial ducks ****, so my brother never got anything out of Ford.


So your choice I guess, have underseal put on and hope you never get any issues, or leave it off, get the car checked annually, and you know you have 12 years peace of mind

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[Garvin]

Hate to be devils advocate,, but you do all realise having ANY body work done by a non authorised by Ford shop voids all bodywork and paint warranty, and that includes having underseal put on.

You get a Ford 12 year anti perforation warranty on new cars, bu only if no un-authorised work is done, and only if you get the vehicle checked by a Ford garage once a year.

Warranty details and FAQ's here

https://www.ford.co.uk/owner/my-vehicle/warranties/faqs

Notice the oft repeated phrase....

• "Repairs using methods that have not been approved by Ford."

The word "repairs" includes un-authorised work such as under sealing. I know this as my brother had a Escort Cosworth many moons ago. It also arrived with no underseal, so he had some put on, not by a Ford garage however.

Almost to the day three years later rust started to appear and Ford would not touch it will someone else's barge-pole, let alone theirs, as work had been done to the car without their authorisation.

Went to crown court, and the lost case was appealed through the supreme court, but Fords "small print" was as tight as the proverbial ducks ****, so my brother never got anything out of Ford.


So your choice I guess, have underseal put on and hope you never get any issues, or leave it off, get the car checked annually, and you know you have 12 years peace of mind

Peace of mind? I fear not. These warranties are not worth the paper they are printed on!

These are anti-perforation warranties. Read the carefully worded small print - they cover perforation. That means an actual hole has developed in the bodywork. When you take a rust spot to the dealer the first response is a) it is caused by external damage/scratch/stone chip and not covered; and then b) there is no perforation as yet so not covered. Now if you leave it to become perforated then c) you have not maintained the body work in good order so not covered. Ask me how I know all this?

Let’s move to the underbody. It too has to be maintained in good order. I wish anyone luck in proving that any corrosion or perforation was caused by a manufacturing defect and not stone chip damage and that the underbody has been regularly maintained/cleaned etc.

Me? I’ll get mine undersealed with a good product that resists chipping and reduces the risk of any corrosion starting, especially on UK roads that are liberally coated with salt during the winter.

 

[hinch]

especially on UK roads that are liberally coated with salt during the winter.

they are? you clearly live in the posh parts of the UK that can afford salt then i've not seen any on the roads around here in at least 5 years.

 

[Garvin]

they are? you clearly live in the posh parts of the UK that can afford salt then i've not seen any on the roads around here in at least 5 years.

Two million metric tonnes of salt are spread on UK roads each year!

 

[hinch]

Two million metric tonnes of salt are spread on UK roads each year!

all of it south of nottinghamshire ?

 

[dwaine dibbley]

The gritters were out on the M6 last sat morning around Warrington area, first time I’ve seen them this winter. Depressing.

 

[Garvin]

all of it south of nottinghamshire ?

If that’s true I’ll be making plans to move oop north

 

[Garvin]

The gritters were out on the M6 last sat morning around Warrington area, first time I’ve seen them this winter. Depressing.

Damn, my moving plan didn’t last long

 

[Entai]

Peace of mind? I fear not. These warranties are not worth the paper they are printed on!

These are anti-perforation warranties. Read the carefully worded small print - they cover perforation. That means an actual hole has developed in the bodywork. When you take a rust spot to the dealer the first response is a) it is caused by external damage/scratch/stone chip and not covered; and then b) there is no perforation as yet so not covered. Now if you leave it to become perforated then c) you have not maintained the body work in good order so not covered. Ask me how I know all this?

Let’s move to the underbody. It too has to be maintained in good order. I wish anyone luck in proving that any corrosion or perforation was caused by a manufacturing defect and not stone chip damage and that the underbody has been regularly maintained/cleaned etc.

Me? I’ll get mine undersealed with a good product that resists chipping and reduces the risk of any corrosion starting, especially on UK roads that are liberally coated with salt during the winter.

Fair enough, but still completely and utterly pointless under sealing a galvanised body-shell.

The durability department at work has done millions of miles in Fords (and many other manufacturers) of various sorts, and done corrosion tests lasting the equivalent of over 2 million miles and 30 years driving.

Not one Ford has failed the corrosion tests through rusting of the body-shell, other brands do not fair so well.

As you say stone chips etc are not perforation, and just need treating properly as soon as they appear.

These happen under the vehicle too, and obviously are harder to spot and deal with if underseal is in the way.

The very fact of putting under seal on, has been proved in many circumstances to actually exacerbate surface corrosion between the underseal and the surface of the material being covered, which will then work deeper into the material, and causing longer term damage.

Leaving underseal off, will allow regular inspections, to clear dirt and contaminants, make sure the surface is not being damaged too badly and rectify damage that has occurred.

25 to 30 years ago yes underseal everything in sight, now with modern materials, modern manufacturing processes, it is a relic of the past like carburettors, and points, and is not needed on modern vehicles, the modern practices are far superior.

 

[Garvin]

Fair enough, but still completely and utterly pointless under sealing a galvanised body-shell. . . . . . .

Personally, as a member of the general public, I am not party to Ford’s corrosion tests, their results or the quality of their galvanising process. Indeed I am not party to the specific galvanising process used on the Mustang.

If the underbody is as protected as you state then I can’t see how undersealing can be detrimental.

Getting to regularly inspect the underbody of the vehicle at close quarters to a) examine and identify any problems; and b) adequately rectify said problems is no mean feat and beyond most people’s capability.

What I do know is that I have seen many horrors of US made vehicles rotten floor pans. Admittedly not of recent vehicles but it has made me wary of stateside vehicles.

 

[hinch]

if it helps i'd be more worried about your bonnet rusting

i'm awaiting to hear back from ford regarding the replacement + them footing the cost of the new detail+PPF+ceramic+stripes on it

 

[Spider]

they are? you clearly live in the posh parts of the UK that can afford salt then i've not seen any on the roads around here in at least 5 years.

Aye it's grim up north. Nobody's got nowt up ere. There's been an empty grit box up our street for 5 years

 

[hinch]

Aye it's grim up north. Nobody's got nowt up ere. There's been an empty grit box up our street for 5 years

aye that'll be `bout right for when they ran out

 

[Spider]

aye that'll be `bout right for when they ran out

Sure you'll be fine in the Ranger

 

[FMJ]

So I went in on Monday and expressed my concerns. I was told that it may take two weeks to dry but that the products never fully dry. I said that I had read various accounts from people saying the stuff stays wet to which there was no answer.

I asked what I was supposed to do driving it in the rain which would likely wash the stuff off/dilute it and that the product would be wiped off if I parked on grass not to mention all the crap on the road sticking to it. The answer was maybe don't drive it for a couple of weeks..... Awesome thanks for that.

I do sympathise with the workshop. They have used the product Ford supplies. They have done it in the time Ford demands and they have only removed wheels and arch liners to do it. So basically they have been told to do the job with their hands tied behind their backs to shut customers up as cheaply as possible. However that doesn't help me.

I have booked in at the Mustang Workshop near Hook in a couple of weeks (soonest i could get) for them to take a look and tell me what they think.

Strangely the service I got from the dealership for the scratch repair was top notch and the results are perfect... I can't fault them on that one.

As for not treating these cars and relying on the metal resisting corrosion. I do see you're point, but as far as I am aware all other Ford's sold in the UK are treated. So you can't compare? Also if it was no longer needed why would manufacturers still do it?

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