My GT350R will likely be my last Ford car.

[airfuel]

I don't know how the technicians are compensated. I was just trying to add a bit of humor. I suspect a GT3 oil change will easily run $150 +

Hah! Quick google shows an oil change near $500!

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[cosmo]

Gotta laugh when I see all this "Porsche is the most reliable car ever" talk based on anecdotal evidence (usually one person's experience). According to consumer reports, Porsche is ranked 13th, just a little better than Ford:

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

But hey, what do they know? Better to go by a few clowns on the internet!

Reliable doesn't mean fit and finish lol

Also, go have an issue with your car with Porsche and then with Ford and work with those dealers. Let me know how that turns out for ya.

 

[IPOGT]

Combine corporate greed and speed with some line employees that have no pride whatsoever assembling your vehicle, along with a company willing to let it out the door that way, and this is what we get.

 

[rick81721]

Reliable doesn't mean fit and finish lol

Also, go have an issue with your car with Porsche and then with Ford and work with those dealers. Let me know how that turns out for ya.

Did I mention fit and finish? The discussion was on reliability. Regarding dealers, again, you use anecdotal evidence - lol!

 

[jpindustrie]

What’s strange to me is my 16GTPP premium was a really nice car i thought. I didn’t understand everyone’s complaints...until i got the 350. I have the gaps, both front quarters are bent inward by the hood and have been since i got it, i’m in the process of getting a new voodoo, don’t get me started on my splitter ordeal, and now there’s a clunking coming from the passenger rear on accel/decel... some crooked shit peice on the dash i can’t get straight and for some reason i still enjoy driving this thing.

It’s my 5th mustang, i’m a bit of fan lol. But it’s caused me to look towards other brands, just not a porsche(wallet can’t go there!). Many of my issues can be fixed through warranty, but that is where i’ve Learned a lesson...you rely on that and you’ll be without your car, or a sufficient solution to your problem, ALOT.

i think part of the expectation comes from the plain old sticker shock. $60k+ is still slot of money ... especially that stigma of what a mustang ‘should’ cost , whatever that means.

 

[cosmo]

Did I mention fit and finish? The discussion was on reliability. Regarding dealers, again, you use anecdotal evidence - lol!

...was anyone speaking on reliability? I didn't see it if people were. It was mainly a Quality Control/Fit and Finish discussion.

 

[DrumReaper]

I simply know how to use the search feature. Your words, sir.

SO if you want a P car, go for it but you don’t need to contradict yourself and then take a huge dump on your way out, just go.

I think I see what your hang up is... here’s my words below:

"do you think for once I'm gonna worry bout the 0.13562" trunk gap on the right and the 0.15264" gap in the left? No... Am I giving Ford a pass... No. I just chose to purchase a car that's not perfect and will be damn proud of it."

You keep labeling me as contradictory. Where have I been contradictory? I didn’t give Ford a pass then, and I sure as hell am not now. I have been getting my car ready this week for a car show this weekend. I’m still “damn proud” of my R... and that being said does not mean that I can’t be displeased with the shitty craftsmanship or dealer experience from Ford.

You yourself should know the difference between taking an Audi in for service vs a Ford. When I used to take Foci, Fusions or F150’s in for service, I got what I expected most of the time, as those were cars common to Ford service personnel. The GT350, however, has been an alien to the Ford dealership period. I’ve heard more than a few salespeople get the car wrong and confused with a GT... and the service personnel have shown how unadaptable they can be.

But, if you think I’m still contradictory, more power to you. My views haven’t changed from then to now except on Ford car quality and specialty vehicle service. As I stated before, my Raptor is free from a host of these issues which means maybe it’s just st a plant-specific problem.

 

[key01]

Maybe the title should just change to: My next car will be a Porsche!
This mustang reminds me of old school because I’m an old guy and have had a few 60’s-70’s mustangs, including a ‘71 429 SCJ Mach 1, which I know you are rebuilding drumreaper. I am jealous of that. The panel fit on those early cars was so bad, it was scary. They were also near impossible to fix and line up properly. I know this is 2018 and not 1969, but I have a high tolerance for that stuff because it can be made right.
I have been buying German cars also for many years and they are daily drivers. Mainly Mercedes Benz. My current 2014 E550 4M is a great car, but it cost $80K.
I have owned a 1989 Porsche 911 Carrera that was not trouble free. I had it for 4 years and sold it. My biggest complaint was the sound of that engine. I played with different sport exhaust and then gave up. It never sounded right.
The GT350 is an absolute blast on the track where it belongs. So far I don’t have any issues with it, so I’m coming from a happy camp. I hope the Porsche fills the void and meets or exceeds all of your expectations. Best of luck to you!

 

[stanglife]

Damn dude... fake news. Where did I say I was getting rid of my 350? I simply stated I’m done with “Ford cars”.

Wish there was a way you could search for how to be less of an antagonist. You’re always instigating crap for no dagum reason.

Just pointing out the fact that your first post says "See ya Ford" and goes on to complain about a bunch of things - noting that you've said in the past that you were OK with buying a flawed car.

If by antagonist, you mean that I have an accurate BS meter, then thank you. Maybe you see the alarm go off more than others? ;)

 

[stanglife]

I think I see what your hang up is... here’s my words below:

"do you think for once I'm gonna worry bout the 0.13562" trunk gap on the right and the 0.15264" gap in the left? No... Am I giving Ford a pass... No. I just chose to purchase a car that's not perfect and will be damn proud of it."

You keep labeling me as contradictory. Where have I been contradictory? I didn’t give Ford a pass then, and I sure as hell am not now. I have been getting my car ready this week for a car show this weekend. I’m still “damn proud” of my R... and that being said does not mean that I can’t be displeased with the shitty craftsmanship or dealer experience from Ford.

You yourself should know the difference between taking an Audi in for service vs a Ford. When I used to take Foci, Fusions or F150’s in for service, I got what I expected most of the time, as those were cars common to Ford service personnel. The GT350, however, has been an alien to the Ford dealership period. I’ve heard more than a few salespeople get the car wrong and confused with a GT... and the service personnel have shown how unadaptable they can be.

But, if you think I’m still contradictory, more power to you. My views haven’t changed from then to now except on Ford car quality and specialty vehicle service. As I stated before, my Raptor is free from a host of these issues which means maybe it’s just st a plant-specific problem.

I can't disagree with the belief that the quality seems like it could be better - and on such simple things. It's not a cheap car and I've said since the beginning that it shouldn't have some of the issues that it has.

I'm not saying that you are contradictory in your statements about noticing the lack of quality - I'm saying that it seems like your expectations have changed, but your car has not - so it's somewhat self-defeating.

Good luck with the P car. I'm actually looking at selling the R for a P car, oo..but for different reasons. I miss having an actual project, something to wrench on...and I think I have another cool build in me, still. I love the experience of researching mods/parts, ordering, waiting for them to arrive...restoring some parts myself...all that.

 

[DrumReaper]

I can't disagree with the belief that the quality seems like it could be better - and on such simple things. It's not a cheap car and I've said since the beginning that it shouldn't have some of the issues that it has.

I'm not saying that you are contradictory in your statements about noticing the lack of quality - I'm saying that it seems like your expectations have changed, but your car has not - so it's somewhat self-defeating.

Good luck with the P car. I'm actually looking at selling the R for a P car, oo..but for different reasons. I miss having an actual project, something to wrench on...and I think I have another cool build in me, still. I love the experience of researching mods/parts, ordering, waiting for them to arrive...restoring some parts myself...all that.

Again... my car was near flawless on delivery. What was I to expect other than that I bought a $67k car and expected it not to have these issues in just 2 years? That’s a very logical expectation, so yes, my expectations have changed to where I expect something to break or fail again soon.

At no point have I ever declared the car perfect. You’re just arguing for the sake of arguing... about nothing.

 

[superman07]

Unless you are going to work on, and take care of the car yourself I wouldn't touch a gt350. I'm with you, I want a new Ford truck so bad but I just cant bring myself to buy another Ford. Last warranty work was for the alternator. I took it to the 6th or seventh different dealership hoping to get a better experience. Service manager printed out the cars history and the first thing he said was holy shit. almost at 30k and the car sounds like it is going to fall apart.

 

[THX 138]

Some of you guys crack me up. Care to know what $67,000 gets you at a Porsche dealership? A base, 4-cylinder 718 Cayman/Boxster with some options. Not even a Cayman/Boxster S. Forget about a Boxster/Cayman GTS, or even a base, no-options 911. 911GT3? Please. I'll take two GT350's and still have money left over for a few track days, thanks.

At the end of the day, every GT350 rolls down the same assembly line as a $25k EcoBoost Mustang. Why in the world would anyone reasonably expect it to have build quality or paint quality similar at all to a $100k+ Porsche?

...and FWIW, yes, I have owned--and still own--vehicles that don't rattle and do have great paint. (My Porsche isn't one of them.) And none of them does what my GT350 does, anywhere near as well as my GT350 does it. Nor would I expect them to. :cheers:

 

[superman07]

um, for what its worth, I would still have expected better if it was a 25k ecoboost. My wifes daily driver Kia has better fit and finish and has held up much better.

 

[MrCincinnati]

I can't tell you how many threads I've seen about the cheapest place to buy oil. There is lierally a couple bucks/qt profit. That same person thinking that the tech should get paid more than $9 to make sure he does a good job would also say, "it's a Ford, why is my oil change going to cost $150? what a ripoff!"

The oil change for a GT350 @ a Ford Dealership is more than $150. The service department will charge $12-13/qt for Motorcraft 5W-50. The parts department will sell it for $7-9. Let's say $7 is the bottom dollar (it isn't), that's $50-60 profit/oil change on just the oil. Sure, the tech may get paid for .3hrs of labor... but the dealership is charging an hour.

So yeah - that is a lot of money to pay for an oil change on a Ford --- especially when the techs/dealership do a crap job at it. I get where you're going with your post but - there's no excuse for consistently piss poor outcomes.. just acknowledgement that we're dealing with a piss poor organization.

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