Whipple car runs bad - tune issues

[motodad]

Today, I have exchanged a few emails with Jeff @ Whipple and he understands the issue with the Flare 3.0 for Mac. He is going to let the MicroMotive guys know so they can fix the app.

I used the Windows Flare 3.0 app to load the new tune into my 2017, manual trans. I first 'opened' the original tune file and did a restore. This should have put the OEM tune back on the car. Then I opened the new tune file and did a program. This should have saved the OEM stock tune into the new flare tune file as well as update the car.

Here are my observations in a 20 mile test drive:
* Car is WAY, WAY more stock-like drivable in 1st and 2nd gear while in Normal mode. The original Whipple tune was a bit herky, jerky in normal mode so I had been driving almost exclusively in Sport mode. I had to use launch control to reduce 1st by 15% and 2nd by 10%. Now I have it set to 1st -5% and full power in all other gears!

* There is less of the gurggling when depressing the clutch. Seems like it was cut down 50% or so. Do the Whipple tunes add an electronic auto-blipper?? I am suspecting so, both tunes seemed to do that.

* 80MPH 5th gear roll-on, the hesistation or surging is GREATLY reduced!! Almost none existent, ALMOST...

* 80MPH 6th gear roll-on, the surging is still there but again, greatly reduced. On my 2nd roll-on test, I downshifted to 5th as I went WOT and there was no surge, the car was like a rocket.

* In all roll-on tests, the needle went from 80 to 100 uber quick. Faster than my butt dyno felt the car was accelerating.

I never got a CEL and the car has started quickly, so I did not do a crank relearn, per Whipple post from last night. It purrs nice and smooth. Maybe even smoother than before.

So for now, much improved for a problem I am not sure I ever had.

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[Ninjak]

Since the cats were damaged they are going to make it up by eating the labor cost of installing a set of Kooks 1 7/8 headers with non-green cats.

Ordered from Beefcake this morning, so hopefully we'll have them in by early next week.

I guess every cloud has a silver lining....

That is one hell of a bloody silver lining !

 

[keltymd]

That is one hell of a bloody silver lining !

no crap I think my dealer would have laughed at me and given me a $5000 bill

 

[TripleB]

Just got done playing with the new tune... feel like it drives much better

I'm a noob to super chargers... I was finally staring down at my a/f gauge while i hit it WOT in 3rd and I saw 11.3... is that ok?

 

[keltymd]

Just got done playing with the new tune... feel like it drives much better

I'm a noob to super chargers... I was finally staring down at my a/f gauge while i hit it WOT in 3rd and I saw 11.3... is that ok?

yes it is you want it about there under boost.

 

[TripleB]

yes it is you want it about there under boost.

Thank you sir

I’m still seeing 20 a/f when I let go off throttle and I’m coasting in gear. I thought I remember someone saying that Whipple was doing something about that.

 

[keltymd]

Thank you sir

I’m still seeing 20 a/f when I let go off throttle and I’m coasting in gear. I thought I remember someone saying that Whipple was doing something about that.

I have noticed it too it still goes immediately into injector shutdown. IMHO it would be nice if they gave it the delay I am not a fan of the crackly exhaust note it causes but it is not surging as much so I am happier.

 

[markmurfie]

I have noticed it too it still goes immediately into injector shutdown. IMHO it would be nice if they gave it the delay I am not a fan of the crackly exhaust note it causes but it is not surging as much so I am happier.

Um with a delay or with out it you would get a lot more crackly exhaust notes.

 

[keltymd]

Um with a delay or with out it you would get a lot more crackly exhaust notes.

the immediate cut of fuel creates a lean condition in the exhaust that causes the crackling

 

[TripleB]

If it’s not harming anything I don’t mind it. I am actually really enjoying the crackling

 

[keltymd]

If it’s not harming anything I don’t mind it. I am actually really enjoying the crackling

then your set lol. The fuel cut before was causing surging when i would shift but now its not since they made their other tweaks. I may actually be looking forward to spring now

 

[markmurfie]

the immediate cut of fuel creates a lean condition in the exhaust that causes the crackling

If your decel spark advance is as low as mine is, adding fuel will make it worst.

 

[Whipple SC]

done email sent with the file requested. i sent to [email protected]

some of us prefer the Macs.



Will the P0300 code throw a check engine light? The only time I have anything connected ODBII port is when I programmed with the Flare tool initially. Should I be checking for codes occasionally? Or is this a code that will come up within 1-2-3 starts right after programming but not having driven the car yet?

Sorry for the silly questions.

Mac should be fixed now, 3.01. Same link, just run an update and you should be good.

 

[motodad]

Mac should be fixed now, 3.01. Same link, just run an update and you should be good.

got it. confirmed it is working!! thank you!!!!! :cheers:

 

[TripleB]

In the future what would be the best way to know that you have the latest tune out there? Check the app periodically or does whipple send out notice to registered email addresses?

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