Guess what? Motortrend favors the Camaro again

[tyler2k]

GM was also offering some big red tag incentives on vehicles in December too. This tactic is used by all the Big 3 (deep discounts). You can't just say "Ford offers big discounts". They all do. I was seeing 20-25% off C7 Corvette's as well.

The fact is as good as the 2016 Camaro is to drive sales in 2017 (after a new model release) are the lowest since GM brought the Camaro back.

Why is that if the car is so amazing to drive? I am guessing because GM completely dropped the ball on everything else (interior, exterior, etc). It's why GM is talking about offering an SS model with all season tires (and likely some other cost cutting measures). They need to sell more cars or the Camaro may cease to exist.

could also be because they have a car like the corvette that competes with the camaro sales, ford has nothing to compete with the mustang. add camaro And corvette sales I'm sure its closer. same goes for dodge with a charger and challenger. and every magazine and test between the two puts the camaro on top. im 6'1 and 300lbs who does strongman, my shoulders are very wide and hated mt recaros in my 15 gtpp but the ones in a 1le are supwr comfy and i fit great. ya the mustang is more open and comfortable in day to day but i bought a performance car, i want the best performance for my dollar and sad to say ford just doesn't have it, and i love mustangs iv had 5 over the years they Just never perform

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[millhouse]

could also be because they have a car like the corvette that competes with the camaro sales, ford has nothing to compete with the mustang. add camaro And corvette sales I'm sure its closer. same goes for dodge with a charger and challenger. and every magazine and test between the two puts the camaro on top. im 6'1 and 300lbs who does strongman, my shoulders are very wide and hated mt recaros in my 15 gtpp but the ones in a 1le are supwr comfy and i fit great. ya the mustang is more open and comfortable in day to day but i bought a performance car, i want the best performance for my dollar and sad to say ford just doesn't have it, and i love mustangs iv had 5 over the years they Just never perform

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Man now I've heard it all. Why don't we throw in silverado sales to boost those numbers while were at it.

Add camaro and corvette...:lol:

 

[tyler2k]

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Man now I've heard it all. Why don't we throw in silverado sales to boost those numbers while were at it.

Add camaro and corvette...:lol:

huh truck and sport car are the same you huh thats weird, guess you don't understand the concept of that gm as a company competes with its self for sales of sports cars cause they offer 2 different types. sorry for doesnt do that so they only have the mustang for a v8 rearwheel car.

 

[Snagged]

yea they wanted a cheaper car with huge blowout sales to get rid of the outdated car. its kinda sad when you can't just admit something is better then what you have, perfect example is a Harley, ride like crap, no power, expensive but they sell, why cause its a Harley not cause its the better option. ford is choosing to play catch up and not one up, they are just getting in line with the straight line performance and still get beat on the track by gm, and they've had the most time to study the competion

Neither camp can be at the top of the list all the time. GM doesn't always beat out Ford's offering and vice versa. In fact, if the rumors are true about the power of the next GT500, they are going to destroy the ZL1. Simple fact is, there is no better time to be a car guy than the moment we are living in now, we should just sit back and enjoy it.

And it's not a bad thing Ford listens to their customer base. It's enabled them to produce the Mustang nonstop since its inception. Ford is business and like any business they want to make as much profit as they can while not alienating their customers. You can't knock them for that. Especially since they do so much for the enthusiast crowd. When you look all the things Ford does for the enthusiasts, compared to the other manufacturers, it's astounding. The special trim cars they offer to us alone is something extremely special (i.e. GT500, GT350, Mach 1, Boss, Bullitt, the PP1 - PP2 setups. Not to mention they allow the specialty cars from Saleen, Roush, Steeda and Shelby. The collaboration they did with Carroll Shelby). There is so much history with he Mustang and so much to pull from in the brand name alone makes it no wonder why Ford outsells the Camaro.

And if Ford is smart, there is only so good they will make the GT when they have the GT350's out. Blurring those lines wouldn't be good for the GT350's sales. So it could be Ford isn't looking to out perform GM on the track, it's most likely if they want to and when. The saying of, "If it's not broke, don't fix it comes to mind."

 

[tyler2k]

while I agree with that, your building a car to compete with another you can't argue that, the top 3 all try to be the best. ford is lay too the party and not only bumped the price quite a bit but only just caught up with the other 2. pretty disappointing that couldn't put more effort in

 

[millhouse]

huh truck and sport car are the same you huh thats weird, guess you don't understand the concept of that gm as a company competes with its self for sales of sports cars cause they offer 2 different types. sorry for doesnt do that so they only have the mustang for a v8 rearwheel car.

No, it's absurd for you to say that we need to add camaro sales to corvette sales to compare against the mustang. The are completely different cars built on totally different chassis with completely different price-points.

 

[tyler2k]

No, it's absurd for you to say that we need to add camaro sales to corvette sales to compare against the mustang. The are completely different cars built on totally different chassis with completely different price-points.

a fully loaded ss2 is right by a base corvette but there's no point in arguing, you have the greatest car ever built regardless off every single test done between them. they win cause they sell more so they're the best your right

 

[millhouse]

a fully loaded ss2 is right by a base corvette but there's no point in arguing, you have the greatest car ever built regardless off every single test done between them. they win cause they sell more so they're the best your right

Keep on trying troll. Your post is total bullshit.

Add camaro and corvette sales to compete with mustang sales...man that made my day! :lol:

 

[tyler2k]

how can someone who owns a mustang be a troll on a mustang forum, is it cause I can admit when something better, you sound just like camaro owners when the terminator came out, oh my camaro would be faster if it had a blower to. fact is fact out of the box the camaro is superior in perfomance in everyway

 

[Regs]

Or Ford thinks that having the fastest lap times should't trump everything else and realizes that 90%+ of the Camaro and Mustang drivers will never take their cars to the track.

If you are a hardcore track guy then yes the Camaro is the one to get for sure.

Some of this can translate to the road. I feel like I'm going to bounce off the road and roll off jug handles without the PP suspension. The article does take notice that the independent suspension and chassis makes the car feel like front-end runs independently from the back end and creates both under steer and over steer.

And of course I agree with the sentiment that I wanted the Mustang because of the look and style, but performance wise, that 5.0 is limited and so is the chassis.

 

[millhouse]

how can someone who owns a mustang be a troll on a mustang forum, is it cause I can admit when something better, you sound just like camaro owners when the terminator came out, oh my camaro would be faster if it had a blower to. fact is fact out of the box the camaro is superior in perfomance in everyway

Listen to what you were saying. You were trying to add camaro sales to corvette sales to compare against the mustang and give GM a win. Honestly, this is first time I've ever heard any attempt the lunacy. Were not talking about anything similar to the charger and challenger (same chassis) or camaro/firebird of old.

I've got news for you, people that are looking for a 2 seat v8 sports car are going to gravitate towards the corvette...regardless of weather they own a mustang or camaro. The corvette steals no more sales from the camaro than it does the mustang.

 

[tyler2k]

Listen to what you were saying. You were trying to add camaro sales to corvette sales to compare against the mustang and give GM a win. Honestly, this is first time I've ever heard any attempt the lunacy. Were not talking about anything similar to the charger and challenger (same chassis) or camaro/firebird of old.

I've got news for you, people that are looking for a 2 seat v8 sports car are going to gravitate towards the corvette...regardless of weather they own a mustang or camaro. The corvette steals no more sales from the camaro than it does the mustang.

my point was that gm offers more cars that competes with each other. you wanna say mustangs destroy in sales when thats all ford has to offer, with gm thats not the case. many different option lead to less sales of each. and honestly anyone who uses the sales of the mustang to give it a win is like s child throwing a tratrum that there toy isn't the newest. sales mean nothing one how a car performs. the camaro wins in performance in everyway since the gen6 came out

 

[EcoVert]

my point was that gm offers more cars that competes with each other. you wanna say mustangs destroy in sales when thats all ford has to offer, with gm thats not the case. many different option lead to less sales of each. and honestly anyone who uses the sales of the mustang to give it a win is like s child throwing a tratrum that there toy isn't the newest. sales mean nothing one how a car performs. the camaro wins in performance in everyway since the gen6 came out

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[GreenS550]

does anyone know how the '15-17 with Ford Performance Track Pack would compare to these cars? I wonder how much performance deals with the tires alone? I also think the torque of the pushrod chevy could help out of the curves.

 

[tyler2k]

does anyone know how the '15-17 with Ford Performance Track Pack would compare to these cars? I wonder how much performance deals with the tires alone? I also think the torque of the pushrod chevy could help out of the curves.[/QUOTE

they put the time difference in the article for the out going gtpp

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