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No one is debating wether the 5” area creates downforce or not, I already told you like 5 times already that it does not. You seem to lack reading comprehension yourself.
The picture I showed you is the cross section of the area right before the 5” area, that is the area that has an airfoil.
You're flip flop in because you don't know the answer nor are you the "engineer" you claim to be. I was willing to say some of it could be contributing to downforce (like a winglet) if you can take the cross sectional cut, which it's apparent you are unable to without your friend waking up first this morning. That cut your friend provided wasn't perpendicular with the chord.

Back on topic, If there is a GT500, I hope there's an option for a big wing/splitter to take down the 1LE.
 

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You're flip flop in because you don't know the answer nor are you the "engineer" you claim to be. I was willing to say some of it could be contributing to downforce (like a winglet) if you can take the cross sectional cut, which it's apparent you are unable to without your friend waking up first this morning. That cut your friend provided wasn't perpendicular with the chord.

Back on topic, If there is a GT500, I hope there's an option for a big wing/splitter to take down the 1LE.
All you have to do is go bAck up and read our conversations again. The area highlighted in red DOES NOT contribute to downforce. I never said it did, and I’ve repeatedly told you it was aero neutral. You can quote me if I ever told you it did. You’re either lacking reading comprehension or willifully choosing to be ignorant. The surface area calculations I gave you didn’t include the highlighted 5” area.

The effective surface area of the R wing is larger than the effective surface area of the 1Le’s Wing.

Edited: you don’t seem to know that “right before” means that the highlighted area isn’t included. “Right before” means before we get to the 5” region. English must not be your first language.
 

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All you have to do is go bAck up and read our conversations again. The area highlighted in red DOES NOT contribute to downforce. I never said it did, and I’ve repeatedly told you it was aero neutral. You can quote me if I ever told you it did. You’re either lacking reading comprehension or willifully choosing to be ignorant. The surface area calculations I gave you didn’t include the highlighted 5” area.

The effective surface area of the R wing is larger than the effective surface area of the 1Le’s Wing.

Edited: you don’t seem to know that “right before” means that the highlighted area isn’t included. “Right before” means before we get to the 5” region. English must not be your first language.
I said the 5" area MIGHT if you can provide the info I requested (which you can't because you're not an engineer and your friend hasn't woke up yet or likely has a real job that's more important than entertaining you in a forum argument).

I also asked you to measure the true span of the 1LE wing, but it's clear you're incapable of understanding and dont have the ability even if you did. I could do a rough measurement based off of the CAD drawings but at this point I don't care because you can't have an intelligent debate, let alone a cordial one.

So back on topic - GT500.
 

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How OLD are you two idjits!? If you two wanna argue like a married couple, PM each other or something, quit filling up the thread with useless bs. The 350R wing and the ZL1 1LE wing BOTH make usable downforce, that being said, neither of them make as much as they COULD, possibly because they are just still street cars with secondary track day purposes at the end of the day.
 

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I said the 5" area MIGHT if you can provide the info I requested (which you can't because you're not an engineer and your friend hasn't worked up yet or likely has a real job that's more important than entertaining you in a forum argument).

I also asked you to measure the true span of the 1LE wing, but it's clear you're incapable of understanding and dont have the ability even if you did. I could do a rough measurement based off of the CAD drawings but at this point I don't care because you can't have an intelligent debate, let alone a cordial one.

So back on topic - GT500.
There is no “might”, I already told you the region is aero neutral. No downforce whatsoever. The only thing we disagreed on before you went on a strawman tangent is wether the length of aero neutral region was 7 or 5. You said 7, and I measured it and told you it was only 5. This was part of the calculation that gave me the overall surface area of the R’s wing, which is actually larger than that of the 1LE’s wing. The same R wing you called a “toy” relative to the 1LE’s wing .
 

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The R wing works, its probably not angled as much as the 1LE, just a guess. Just like a Plane, when the elevator raises in the back it puts the weight on the rear end, giving it better rear grip. The front end then requires more down force to keep the front end from lifting, is a harmony thing, and a lot of it has to do with the balance of the car, initially. The balance of the GT500 (or whatever its called) will be increased in the front by around 300 LBS, unless they somehow displace some weight, maybe the splitter will stay the same as the GT350 but, with all that power in the back of the 'GT500' they may go with an even larger wing, with more angle.
Wings, should we talk more about them. When was it, 1984 when maxi pads came with wings? 4 or 5 years later the commercials finally winged, I mean waned.
 

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The R wing works, its probably not angled as much as the 1LE, just a guess. Just like a Plane, when the elevator raises in the back it puts the weight on the rear end, giving it better rear grip. The front end then requires more down force to keep the front end from lifting, is a harmony thing, and a lot of it has to do with the balance of the car, initially. The balance of the GT500 (or whatever its called) will be increased in the front by around 300 LBS, unless they somehow displace some weight, maybe the splitter will stay the same as the GT350 but, with all that power in the back of the 'GT500' they may go with an even larger wing, with more angle.
Wings, should we talk more about them. When was it, 1984 when maxi pads came with wings? 4 or 5 years later the commercials finally winged, I mean waned.
Wing angle (wing camber) wasn't part of our debate. It was the angle of the last 5-7" on the outer sides of the wing.

Cars require far more rear downforce than front, so it's unlikely you'll see 300lbs of front downforce on the GT500 unless you get 1000-1500lbs of rear. Maybe the ACR makes 300lbs of front.
 

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I didn't say it needed 300lbs more up front, I said the GT500 will weight 300 lbs more up front. With the supercharger and all the coolers, unless they place some of the coolers reservoirs in the rear.
 

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I didn't say it needed 300lbs more up front, I said the GT500 will weight 300 lbs more up front. With the supercharger and all the coolers, unless they place some of the coolers reservoirs in the rear.
I stand corrected
 

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Speaking of weight reduction... I wonder if it’s possible to have the SC housing made of a lighter material?... if they can make a CF driveshaft and carbon ceramic disc work, why can’t they make a SC with CF housing?
 

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Speaking of weight reduction... I wonder if it’s possible to have the SC housing made of a lighter material?... if they can make a CF driveshaft and carbon ceramic disc work, why can’t they make a SC with CF housing?
I like this idea. Maybe some mechanical engineers can weigh in, but the only issue I see is thermal expansion of the rotors. This can be offset by having the rotors also carbon based.

Carbon fibre has excellent tensional strength.

Perhaps oiling can be an issue with material incompatibility, but again there are coatings for that.
 

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Speaking of weight reduction... I wonder if it’s possible to have the SC housing made of a lighter material?... if they can make a CF driveshaft and carbon ceramic disc work, why can’t they make a SC with CF housing?
They can. Koeniggsegg does it with a ton of components but it would get very expensive quickly. If you have Netflix watch Apex it’s a good documentary on making a hyper car and how much CF they use.
 

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They can. Koeniggsegg does it with a ton of components but it would get very expensive quickly. If you have Netflix watch Apex it’s a good documentary on making a hyper car and how much CF they use.
Specifically with compressors there must be a reason it hasn’t been done yet.

Racing tends to breed technology, so why hasn’t a carbon reiforced plastic been used in elite levels of drag racing? This is our answer.

It may be like I said, as simple as incompatibility of materials for thermal expansion.

In my studies (Stationary/Power engineering) we get into metallurgy but not at the depth to properly answer why it hasn’t been done. I can speculate though.
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