Ford Racing ProCal Tune

[jtmat]

LOL how would you know?

How would you not know?

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[jbailer]

You wouldn't know just driving the car, I'm asking how do you know you wouldn't benefit from the intercooler upgrade? I've seen you say this many times but wondering if or how you would know.

 

[jtmat]

You wouldn't know just driving the car, I'm asking how do you know you wouldn't benefit from the intercooler upgrade? I've seen you say this many times but wondering if or how you would know.

I swear we have the same dry conversation every time "intercooler" comes up.

Go back and rehash our old conversations, if you wish. Don't feel like going over the same stuff tonight... try me again in three to four months. :lol:

 

[jbailer]

I kind of figured you had no way to tell otherwise you would know that it definitely does make an improvement.

 

[jtmat]

I kind of figured you had no way to tell otherwise you would know that it definitely does make an improvement.

LOL... you are clowning. Won't fall for that one...

I have to sign off... got some work to do. Go search and tell everyone what you find... how about you do that vs. saying "I kind of figured"... you already know, unless you have short term memory loss and can't remember our convos. ;)

 

[Chez]

Is the speed limit on the FP tune capped at 120 or does it go higher? I don't think my car will go past 120.

I would always pull over these days... too many cameras. Plus, if he/she put on the lights and you outrun but they have an accident and die, you are charged. But anyway... lol



If you are on the track, you definitely need an intercooler.

If not on the track or racing, you can replace, if it makes you feel good. I've ran the heck out my car on the road/hwy and don't see the mystical issues people talk about.

You haven't been driving it hard enough then. It becomes VERY noticeable even in 70ish degree temps. After a catch can, intercooler should be the first thing changed on these cars.

 

[Regs]

Oh I did not try to out run the truck. I slowed the hell down and prayed he was just trying to scare the shit of me which he did. I don't think I'll be going that fast in the future. Pretty sure that would have been a 4-5 pt ticket(s).

Performance wise, without a pro tune, a larger intercooler well do nothing except help with keeping the engine and turbo cooler which is more than enough reason for me to think about upgrading it. I am not expecting major heat soak on the road and not expecting to buy a FMIC for daily driving.

 

[Berstuck]

I kind of figured you had no way to tell otherwise you would know that it definitely does make an improvement.

Big ETS intercooler was immediately noticeable for me. Power is very consistent now, definitely wasn't before. And I'm not tuned.

 

[jbailer]

Big ETS intercooler was immediately noticeable for me. Power is very consistent now, definitely wasn't before. And I'm not tuned.

Thanks Brien! I'm glad you did the upgrade and are seeing the benefits! I'm ignoring the other one that just doesn't get it, he didn't get it before either and couldn't follow along yet insists "people just say that".

I actually data logged CATs (Charge Air Temps) compared to IATs (Intake Air Temps) over RPMs with my stock FMIC and then with my ATM FMIC and posted the results as did many others. People had posted their results from several of the different FMIC manufacturers so we could compare the effectiveness of one FMIC vs another. One thing was very clear, EVERY ONE OF THEM was much better than stock. This was a long time ago and the information may be difficult to find but there was even talk about how much timing would be lost and a rough idea of the HP loss.

Enjoy that EB, I love mine!

 

[Ebm]

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Oh I did not try to out run the truck. I slowed the hell down and prayed he was just trying to scare the shit of me which he did. I don't think I'll be going that fast in the future. Pretty sure that would have been a 4-5 pt ticket(s).

Performance wise, without a pro tune, a larger intercooler well do nothing except help with keeping the engine and turbo cooler which is more than enough reason for me to think about upgrading it. I am not expecting major heat soak on the road and not expecting to buy a FMIC for daily driving.

Uhhh.... That's all a bigger intercooler does, with or without a tune, anyway. An intercooler is independent of a tune, so it will act the same way regardless.

 

[jbailer]

I'm not saying anyone else will experience this, I sure hope you don't. I took my car to the dealer today to get the air conditioning fixed for the second time. The work was delayed because the dealer said it came up with a note in their system to call Ford Performance before any warranty work. Of course my dealer waited until after 5pm to try to call FP and they've had the car all day (dropped it off last night) and FP was closed. I asked the dealer, why would they need to call FP when it's the air conditioning? It has nothing to do with the engine. They said it was just policy. I think it's just my dealer being goofy...

 

[apx632]

Is the speed limit on the FP tune capped at 120 or does it go higher? I don't think my car will go past 120.

I would always pull over these days... too many cameras. Plus, if he/she put on the lights and you outrun but they have an accident and die, you are charged. But anyway... lol



If you are on the track, you definitely need an intercooler.

If not on the track or racing, you can replace, if it makes you feel good. I've ran the heck out my car on the road/hwy and don't see the mystical issues people talk about.

Do you monitor your charge temps? I've no idea if you have an accessport or NGauge to know if you do. I'm guessing you don't though based upon this answer. If you did you would see that you can make a full pull in say 3rd gear from 3000rpm to 6000 and your charge temps would start to go up. This actually wouldn't be the case with an aftermarket intercooler. My temps either stay the same or in some cases go down slightly through a pull. There is plenty of proof from multiple performance shops and tuners on how bad the stock intercoolers are on all ecoboost vehicles and the benefits aftermarket ones provide.

 

[Regs]

Uhhh.... That's all a bigger intercooler does, with or without a tune, anyway. An intercooler is independent of a tune, so it will act the same way regardless.

Kind of hard to have an aggressive tune on a stock intercooler. And with some intercoolers and charge pipes, you then run the risk of dropping pressure delivery.

 

[Arno_ecobeast]

Intercooler and tune are the 2 biggest performance gainers. I mean... charged HOT air goes into a combustion chamber where cooler, denser, air combusts better etc etc. If anything the theory is rock solid and then if you can back it up.
i mean dang... put an aftermarket FMIC on your car and tell me you do not experience a positive change. I changed my stock unit over for a Wagner EVO1 cause ATM went MIA as i missed the original purchase!
But like heaven and earth difference after 2 pulls. Stock cooler its flat and feels lethargic... now in summer (australia) i can spank her over and over again and car feels consistent and pulls stronger than before even on initial pulls.
It just works. it just does. Science proves it. Not wanting to do it... i can understand because taking the front bumper off is a B*TCH! lol... but other than that... im out of ideas.

 

[apx632]

Uhhh.... That's all a bigger intercooler does, with or without a tune, anyway. An intercooler is independent of a tune, so it will act the same way regardless.

The intercooler will act the same way yes. The car will not. The bigger intercooler will cause a pressure drop if the car has not been tuned for it, I lost about 2psi when I installed mine.

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