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  • 450HP

    Votes: 69 10.8%
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    Votes: 122 19.2%
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465-475 HP and 420-440 LB-TQ, doesn't make sense to match the Camaro's HP if that car is lighter and has a lot more torque.
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465-475 HP and 420-440 LB-TQ, doesn't make sense to match the Camaro's HP if that car is lighter and has a lot more torque.
The Mustang is less than a hundred pounds heavier. Car and Driver has weights at 3,760lbs for the Camaro and 3,817lbs for the Mustang. That's only 57 pounds heavier for the PP GT. If it came out with 475 horsepower and 440 torque it will be slightly faster than the Camaro. The Mustang will be making not only more peak torque and horsepower than before, but also more torque all throughout the powerband with nearly a 1,000rpm advantage. Combine that with better gearing and stickier tires and I give the advantage to the Mustang.
 

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The Mustang is less than a hundred pounds heavier. Car and Driver has weights at 3,760lbs for the Camaro and 3,817lbs for the Mustang. That's only 57 pounds heavier for the PP GT. If it came out with 475 horsepower and 440 torque it will be slightly faster than the Camaro. The Mustang will be making not only more peak torque and horsepower than before, but also more torque all throughout the powerband with nearly a 1,000rpm advantage. Combine that with better gearing and stickier tires and I give the advantage to the Mustang.
I agree that if it came with 475/440 it will probably faster than the Camaro. The fastest Camaro on their fast list is the 1SS with just MRC and NPP.

The 3760 lbs is a loaded 2SS. I did some searches and it looks like the 1SS with NPP is 3589 lbs with 1/8 of a tank. GM rated the 1SS at 3680 lbs with a full tank

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436603

I hope you're right tho, 475/440 will def even things up or even beat it! Why not make it faster than the Camaro? Ford has every reason to 1 up GM!!
 

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Feel dirty, like I'm getting sucked into caring about 0-60, which I don't. Just trying to better guess the hp.

The 10-speed auto by itself can drop that 0-60mph time by 0.2-0.3 seconds to approx. 4.0 secs flat.
True. I can't find shift speed for a 6R80 or 10R80 (other than Chevy claiming their version is faster than Porsche PDK, ~200msec). First gen ZF 6sd was about 800msec 1-2 upshift, 300msec for second gen. 6R80 is based on first gen right? Must be faster than 0.8 sec 1-2 shift though (0.6 for 5-6). In any case 0.6-.1 faster upshift. Anyone have actual shift speeds of the transmission?

No I believe that the gt is in the 4.5 to 4.6 range currently. If it got to a sub 4.2 run that would be nice.

I want to see the 6 speed hit it in 4.2 to 4 3 and the auto do it in 4 to 4.1 secs...
Yup you're right 4.5 is solid number, 4.3-4.7 published by magazines for 15 & 16 GTs. Just found 3.9 for '16 Camaro SS, making 3.9 & 4.0 published.
 

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For everyday driving ur right doesn't matter but for bragging rights and the track/strip it does.
 

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The Mustang is less than a hundred pounds heavier. Car and Driver has weights at 3,760lbs for the Camaro and 3,817lbs for the Mustang. That's only 57 pounds heavier for the PP GT. If it came out with 475 horsepower and 440 torque it will be slightly faster than the Camaro. The Mustang will be making not only more peak torque and horsepower than before, but also more torque all throughout the powerband with nearly a 1,000rpm advantage. Combine that with better gearing and stickier tires and I give the advantage to the Mustang.
AGREED ! Glad you mentioned this fact. My 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 had a 390 ci engine. I stripped that baby down to the bone - No AC either. Slapped on my Mickey Thompson Street Slicks and I was unbeatable. Those were the good old days when you could drive in SFLA with a Mustang that had long tube headers no Cats and cherry bomb mufflers and a cop would not even look at you the wrong way - just give you a :thumbsup: at the light.

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I agree that if it came with 475/440 it will probably faster than the Camaro. The fastest Camaro on their fast list is the 1SS with just MRC and NPP.

The 3760 lbs is a loaded 2SS. I did some searches and it looks like the 1SS with NPP is 3589 lbs with 1/8 of a tank. GM rated the 1SS at 3680 lbs with a full tank

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436603

I hope you're right tho, 475/440 will def even things up or even beat it! Why not make it faster than the Camaro? Ford has every reason to 1 up GM!!
I dunno. The GT350 needs 528hp and 429lb-ft of torque to reach 60 in 3.9, and it has WAY more traction than the current GTPP.
 

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I dunno. The GT350 needs 528hp and 429lb-ft of torque to reach 60 in 3.9, and it has WAY more traction than the current GTPP.
The power band on that car is set up much differently by design. It wasn't mean for 0-60 at all. Just happens to be pretty good at it. It was meant for sustained, high rpm performance with long times spent in the same gear.

The updated 5.0 and associated gearing will be a night and day different experience.

Though if the Voodoo gets DI/PI as well, it will feel similar down low for a couple of reasons.
 

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Its all just speculation guys, and I'm sure when they release the #'s there will be those who were wrong and those who were right. For me, it would be foolish for Ford to come out with a refresh that does not outpace the current Camaro/Challenger. What ever those #'s end up being this is the goal. When you look at what Ford is doing with this engine its safe to say its meant to outpace its rivals, you can count on that. So whether its 455, 465, 475..etc. It will beat its rivals. Almost no one who buys these cars leaves them stock, so how important is stock hp? I Dont see any t-tag cars at the track, if you know what i mean. Im more interested in how it will respond to mods, cams boost etc...the real meat and potatoes!
 

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Basic math dictates you're likely incorrect.
Using completely different powertrains as comparison is also incorrect.

This isn't an SVT vehicle. They aren't going to put themselves at risk by increasing power unnecessarily. We've already seen that performance doesn't actually equate to sales, it's the looks and features. There's no need for them to make 470 when matching Camaro's 455 will do just fine from a marketing perspective.

460 might be a stretch but possible.
 

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Using completely different powertrains as comparison is also incorrect.

This isn't an SVT vehicle. They aren't going to put themselves at risk by increasing power unnecessarily. We've already seen that performance doesn't actually equate to sales, it's the looks and features. There's no need for them to make 470 when matching Camaro's 455 will do just fine from a marketing perspective.

460 might be a stretch but possible.
Apparently you haven't read much of this thread. Please do. Also, what risk are you referring to? Who is "themselves"? And last but not least, the question that has yet to be answered by countless people who share yout opinion, why would Ford completely redesign the Coyote and add over $1000 of equipment (DI) for a performance gain that is less than the current power packs which are already available, carb legal, and cost considerably less?
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