A tune? Who? Me??

[pietran30]

You had to get the car inspected already!? In NJ, your car does not need to be inspected until after the first 5 years. Then it is once every 2 years. So my sticker says I am good until December of 2021.

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[gameovergt]

Where did you get the cover? I wouldn't mind having one just to have it. I like the though of having it covered to keep debris and stuff out of it. (Yes I can google it, but what fun is that when having discussions!)

https://store.gopowerhungry.com/en/programmers-accessories/76-obdii-cover.html

$6.00

Summit & AM have them but they are more expensive.

 

[1320']

Keep in mind that for warranty purposes they do have a need to check the computer. Even for an inspection most states will plug into the OBD port and confirm that it's "OK" /"ready" or what-have-you.
Folks..if you have a warranty, the manufacturer is saying that they are ensuring that this vehicle will be reliable, safe and not have issues for X years or X miles in the condition that they presented it to you in. This includes the tune in the ECM/PCM/TCM/MSNBC/YMCA or whatever. If they are going to pay for any repairs or any issues that come up it's within their right to make sure it's in the same condition as they sold it.
Is it your car? Yes. Do you have a right to modify it? Of course! Do you have a right to change it from it's warranty issued condition? Yup. Do they have a right to tell you they're not going to pay for it when you do so? Yes they do.

Switching your tune back to factory when you have things like long tube headers, cams, etc..things that require a tune for the engine to function properly? Is immature, stupid and irresponsible. Not only could you damage your car, you're attempting to conceal and defraud the dealer of any potential repairs.

Pay to play or don't play.

 

[gameovergt]

Maybe this one? Not sure what he has.

https://www.steeda.com/billet-obd-port-cover-555-1260.html

https://store.gopowerhungry.com/en/programmers-accessories/76-obdii-cover.html


$6

 

[wireeater]

Keep in mind that for warranty purposes they do have a need to check the computer. Even for an inspection most states will plug into the OBD port and confirm that it's "OK" /"ready" or what-have-you.
Folks..if you have a warranty, the manufacturer is saying that they are ensuring that this vehicle will be reliable, safe and not have issues for X years or X miles in the condition that they presented it to you in. This includes the tune in the ECM/PCM/TCM/MSNBC/YMCA or whatever. If they are going to pay for any repairs or any issues that come up it's within their right to make sure it's in the same condition as they sold it.
Is it your car? Yes. Do you have a right to modify it? Of course! Do you have a right to change it from it's warranty issued condition? Yup. Do they have a right to tell you they're not going to pay for it when you do so? Yes they do.

Switching your tune back to factory when you have things like long tube headers, cams, etc..things that require a tune for the engine to function properly? Is immature, stupid and irresponsible. Not only could you damage your car, you're attempting to conceal and defraud the dealer of any potential repairs.

Pay to play or don't play.

THANKS DAD. ALWAYS RUINING THE FUN.

 

[1320']

THANKS DAD. ALWAYS RUINING THE FUN.

Well I work for a government contractor so I've got "ethics, accountability, trust" etc running through my brain all the time. Mind you the government holds us to that but not themselves..but that's a different conversation for a different board.

 

[wireeater]

Well I work for a government contractor so I've got "ethics, accountability, trust" etc running through my brain all the time. Mind you the government holds us to that but not themselves..but that's a different conversation for a different board.

Preaching to the choir though. I've always disclosed mods to dealers. It's more work than it's worth hiding that shit anyways. Most dealers are cool when you are upfront. Funny how that works ;). There's just no reason to be connecting to an ECU when I take it in for an oil change. I have a problem trusting techs' so that's why i typically like to mark things in my car.

I use to take my WRX for stuff all the time. It has water/meth and all that shit hooked up. They never said anything, they were more so in awe of it.

 

[nastang87xx]

I think it was harmless. Inspection does require that OBDII cars have all of their monitors in ready status but if the tune doesn't mess with them that triggers a CEL and they're not disabled, you're fine.

 

[nastang87xx]

Preaching to the choir though. I've always disclosed mods to dealers. It's more work than it's worth hiding that shit anyways. Most dealers are cool when you are upfront. Funny how that works ;).

Same. I've never had any issues with any service.

 

[mikeD4V]

IMO it's easier to tell them in case they need to diagnose something. Prob worse if they see something later and suspect you're lying.

Well I work for a government contractor so I've got "ethics, accountability, trust" etc running through my brain all the time. Mind you the government holds us to that but not themselves..but that's a different conversation for a different board.

Haha I hear this a lot as a contracting officer and the response is simple, if you don't like the terms don't sign the contract or tell your contracts staff to negotiate instead of signing any document with dollar signs on it. Hungry eyes get people in trouble all the time. COs will gladly take tax payer money somewhere else if you don't sign it. They won't even get mad about it, I promise

Is it your car? Yes. Do you have a right to modify it? Of course! Do you have a right to change it from it's warranty issued condition? Yup. Do they have a right to tell you they're not going to pay for it when you do so? Yes they do.

Pay to play or don't play.

The irony here is thicker than a Kardashian's ass. Sticking up for the warranty terms then bitching about the terms of your employee contract later :cheers:

 

[1320']

IMO it's easier to tell them in case they need to diagnose something. Prob worse if they see something later and suspect you're lying.



Haha I hear this a lot as a contracting officer and the response is simple, if you don't like the terms don't sign the contract or tell your contracts staff to negotiate instead of signing any document with dollar signs on it. Hungry eyes get people in trouble all the time. COs will gladly take tax payer money somewhere else if you don't sign it. They won't even get mad about it, I promise



The irony here is thicker than a Kardashian's ass. Sticking up for the warranty terms then bitching about the terms of your employee contract later :cheers:

There's no irony, I was stating that because of my line of work I've been heavily trained in ethics, accountability and maintaining trust. I was commenting that the government expects us to adhere to that through training but the government itself does not hold itself to the same standards.

 

[jdoug]

My understanding of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that the mod you have on the car has to be directly attributable to the warranty problem you're claiming. That is, just because you have an aftermarket exhaust wouldn't absolve Ford from a transmission problem, for example. Is this correct?

 

[jbailer]

My understanding of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that the mod you have on the car has to be directly attributable to the warranty problem you're claiming. That is, just because you have an aftermarket exhaust wouldn't absolve Ford from a transmission problem, for example. Is this correct?

That is correct. However, dealers typically use very liberal thinking. For example, "the increased hp from the aftermarket exhaust put undue stress on the transmission causing early failure". The bad part is, the burden of proof is on the consumer. The dealer will simply refuse to do the work under warranty. Then it's up to the customer to enforce it which can be costly and take a lot of time.

My example is an exaggeration and will vary greatly on the specific dealership and your relationship with them.

 

[mikeD4V]

There's no irony, I was stating that because of my line of work I've been heavily trained in ethics, accountability and maintaining trust. I was commenting that the government expects us to adhere to that through training but the government itself does not hold itself to the same standards.

Govt side has the requirements as well. Can't have or keep a warrant without it. If you're just venting about "the government" then that's something else

My understanding of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that the mod you have on the car has to be directly attributable to the warranty problem you're claiming. That is, just because you have an aftermarket exhaust wouldn't absolve Ford from a transmission problem, for example. Is this correct?

Yes but there's grey areas in everything and if you want to dispute it a lawyer will start the running tally of costs it will take to get your point proven. I had a clutch issue on this car and had to do research this very subject. Luckily everything got sorted out before it went that far.

EDIT: [MENTION=15518]jbailer[/MENTION] beat me to it "burden of proof is on the consumer"

 

[Jdenkevitz]

My understanding of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that the mod you have on the car has to be directly attributable to the warranty problem you're claiming. That is, just because you have an aftermarket exhaust wouldn't absolve Ford from a transmission problem, for example. Is this correct?

Broadly yes.

However, the issues arise when something is in a grey area. Ie does a CAI nullify coverage of engine issues. A CAI can cause the engine to run lean. So a manufacturer may say that's enough to deny a claim, at which point you would have to sue them and deal with it in court.
They may end up being forced to cover it, but that's a big PITA.

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