2017 Roush Supercharger Tune Not Available

[Whipple SC]

I spoke with Ford directly regarding this. You can reference my case number 992934. I was told by Jennifer, the regional customer service manager, that she consulted with the lead technical department at Ford regarding this issue. The reason for the delay is that the Roush 2.3 TVS supercharger was awaiting EPA and CARB certification for use on road going 2017 models. This certification is not expected to go through until 6 months.

This is nothing new. Disneyfun1 had ordered a supercharger last year for his 2016, and had to wait 6 months for this process to happen.

My entire intention of starting this thread was to create enough buzz, so that maybe Ford would get this process fast tracked. Maybe something has changed since the beginning of the week that now has this certification coming in at the end of July. I really hope it does, because I'd hate to see others go through what I have had to so far.

Nonetheless, I'm still going with Whipple as I believe they have the better product and are offering some type of power train warranty, whereas the Roush phase 2 does not.

I'm well over 50k invested with the car, supercharger, exhaust, and suspension components. By no means am I going to flirt the line with not having a street legal vehicle due to some EPA/CARB technicality.

Thank you and we will certainly give you a grin from ear to ear when you hit that throttle!

One thing all should keep in mind, Roush does not have emissions compliance for the Phase 2, 2015, 2016 or 2017. If they're waiting for an EO, it's most likely for the 670HP version as the 727HP version, with a smaller pulley required a new test. Therefore, anyone purchasing a 727HP Mustang are violating the EPA's clean air act. Many customers don't seem to mind, but dealerships selling car's with these mods should as they will be the one's liable, not the end user.

One's selling the Roush pre-title cars should REALLY be worried, as Roush has to be the MOR (manufacture on record), meaning they take all the liability, including cat life, emissions, crash testing, etc. The fact that dealers are selling non-emissions complaint, non-warranted Ford Mustang's and F150's could be a huge issue with EPA. It's a big misconception that there is a 49 state or 48 state or 36 state emissions compliance. You are either approved by CARB or EPA or both, that's it.

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[stang17]

I was also hoping to get an answer on what Federal and State laws this webpage is referencing.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6066-M8627

The supercharger is an aftermarket add-on part. If it gets tied into the vehicle financing, does that mean the sales agreement is a crap shoot, since technically the supercharger was installed as part of the new car sale?????:shrug:

 

[mustang1]

looks like there is more going on than just EPA / CARB :


http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/mustang-supercharger-category.html

2015-2016 Ford Mustang Supercharger - Phase 1 670 HP Calibrated
$6,895
50-State Legal: EO #D-418-26


2015-2016 Ford Mustang Supercharger - Phase 2 727 HP Calibrated
Currently unavailable
Not approved for sale or installation in the state of California or any other states that require an EO number.

 

[Whipple SC]

How did Whipple get this so much faster than Roush ? Is there anything new with the 2017 engine that requires re-certification?

The hold up is first, converting the calibration as the software changes typically every year or really twice a year. This is only available after the vehicles are released to dealers so you can only do this so fast.

Why are we faster? We only do superchargers, we don't build cars, suspension, body panels, wings, etc. so we react far faster. We're a small business, 45 employee's and being first to market is everything to us. Our engineering support far surpasses most other companies that are in the aftermarket.

 

[Whipple SC]

I was also hoping to get an answer on what Federal and State laws this webpage is referencing.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6066-M8627

The supercharger is an aftermarket add-on part. If it gets tied into the vehicle financing, does that mean the sales agreement is a crap shoot, since technically the supercharger was installed as part of the new car sale?????:shrug:

It's all in the paperwork. If you install something before it's registered, that's considered pre-title. In that case, there must be a MOR which has passed all emissions testing, fuel mileage, crash testing, etc. It's extremely expensive and difficult to pass. But, it is on the only legal way to have a pre-title modification of anytype other than cat-back exhaust and a few other items.

Post title is anytime after the vehicle has been registered. When you sign the documents, you become the registered owner, or the lending bank. So the additional parts have to be added to financing in a different manner. I don't see this as being a current issue. The real issue is dealerships putting illegal parts on.

EPA recognizes all CARB EO's, if you don't have an EO, then you have to have EPA approval. Having neither means your basically only legal for competition only, which EPA was recently trying to take away.

 

[Whipple SC]

looks like there is more going on than just EPA / CARB :


http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/mustang-supercharger-category.html

2015-2016 Ford Mustang Supercharger - Phase 1 670 HP Calibrated
$6,895
50-State Legal: EO #D-418-26


2015-2016 Ford Mustang Supercharger - Phase 2 727 HP Calibrated
Currently unavailable
Not approved for sale or installation in the state of California or any other states that require an EO number.

They stopped selling the Phase 2 due to many calibration issues and generally low power levels. Allegedly they are or have released an update, but nobody knows for sure. Also it takes some spirited driving to set the torque/throttle codes they were getting.

 

[mustang1]

all this appears to be more (about) technical problems with the 727 kit in general, rather than 2017 Mustangs, EPA, etc.

 

[mustang1]

http://www.lebanonford.com/the-727-hp-mustang.htm
727 horsepower - 2016 Mustang GT for: $39,995
The best part, we can do it all with $0 down, pending credit approval.

who is financing this $0 down auto loan? Ford? Someone could buy the car with $0 down, hot rod it until the engine fails and then give the car back to Ford. Thanks ! It's been fun !

 

[MikeD1]

^^^ Ahhh, you're still going to owe the balance of the loan - doubt the lender would just let you walk unscathed !

 

[Gremlinsteve]

Mine was originally financed through ford

 

[mustang1]

Still at dealership.$51000 invested there so far.On their face book page it shows a mechanic putting a 727 kit on a car.That was July 5.Ive got to stick it out.6 yrs in the Navy and 4 Army.Im use to waiting.

I'd try to get a refund on the S/C part of the purchase. Photos of a hardware install don't mean much if the software is still pending. That's what they call vaporware.

 

[PatrickGT]

This is a recent email from Roush about their tune......Good afternoon,

I apologize for any delay in response. Based on the concerns you’re having Roush is aware of a concern with the phase 2 calibration and has held off on selling these units until we can update the calibration to provide the proper peddle response and clear out the drivability concerns as well as the code that presents itself. At this time I don’t have an ETA as to when the updated cal will be finalized but we will be contacting owners of phase 2 units once the update is made available.

From: Will Woodington
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
To: RPP Warranty <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: Roush supercharger phase 2

Hey guys,

Please see note below.

Will Woodington
Sales Representative
ROUSH Performance Products | SLP Performance Products
39555 Schoolcraft Road | Plymouth, MI 48170
Office: (800) 597.6874 | Fax: (734) 466.6895
AVAILABLE 8:00-5:00PM (EASTERN) MON-FRI

"Peddle" response? Jfc

 

[cwatson998]

Thanks so much for the offer! We are extremely happy with ROUSH. They have been extremely helpful and accommodating through the transition.

 

[Gremlinsteve]

Any new updates as to when the phase two kits will be available again

 

[stang17]

Any new updates as to when the phase two kits will be available again

Additionally, when will the 2017 phase 2 street legal kit be available? Has Roush announced any new performance numbers since recalibrating the phase 2 tune?

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