Vargas Stage 2 Owners

[illeagle]

Stock why? Unless your building your block your HP limited around 400, or so roughly. I can get aux fuel and my bolt ons and have close to that with the stock turbo. My driving is mainly stop light to stop light, I love the stock turbo. I drove a guys map turbo and wasn't that impressed. The only route I would prob go is the Garrett, but I want that Korn first.

The VS2 will out perform the stock turbo all day long. No, you will not have the the same type of spool as you do with stock. Also, the stock block will take much more than 400hp. Most tuners seem to not tune customers cars much over 450 though.

Also I wasn't being a smart ass, u just said that people were talking about spool on the Vargas stage 2, I was just saying that wasn't true. There were several arguments made, spool was def one of them, but not the most concerning

That is absolutely true lol. The VS2 having more lag than some of the other kits is the number one talked about thing on this turbo from people who don't own it. Second to that is speculation on reliability, being that Borg Warner is proven and this turbo is not.

My point is this, you do not own this turbo and have made it pretty clear you have no intentions on ever owning one. You are not contributing anything to this thread besides negativity. We all understand that you are a big supporter of the MAP Turbo kit with the GTX2867R. You don't own either turbo, so this thread is for people that own the VS2 so we all can post results and reviews for others that may be interested. As mentioned before, Perfweld has already trapped 120mph with the VS2, so it's no punk for being a bolt on stock frame setup. My mustang is somewhat of a daily driver too and the car is still a blast, even with the upgraded turbo.

I think it's a great turbo. I don't like the lag, but you'll get that with any turbo that's bigger than the stock one, some more, some less. I've gone 12.16 at 120 mph with only methanol injection as an Aux fuel. I have a converter on order and am confident ill have a mid 11 second car at 121 - 122 mph when I get that in. I love the fact that it bolts on with a few hours work, and looks stock. I think that people think that it's cool to do a big turbo kit, or that this turbo is a poor man's big turbo. Well, I've gone 120 @ 3785 lbs with a stock engine, so this turbo makes good steam, and my car engine compartment still looks stock.

120mph+ is my goal on the stock block. I'll have E85 here shortly once my auxiliary fuel setup comes in. I do feel people think this is the red headed step child of turbos for the mustang. I could have bought any kit on the market, but I chose this one because I wanted a stock frame bolt in turbo. Having it spool a bit later also helps with wheel spin down low too. So far I like it, but I am not really pushing it yet only being on pump gas. The community is full of haters, instead of embracing the many different options that are starting to pop up for our cars.

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[Spoolin]

Stock why? Unless your building your block your HP limited around 400, or so roughly. I can get aux fuel and my bolt ons and have close to that with the stock turbo. My driving is mainly stop light to stop light, I love the stock turbo. I drove a guys map turbo and wasn't that impressed. The only route I would prob go is the Garrett, but I want that Korn first.

I agree. For me it's going to be stay with stock until I can do it "RIGHT". Meaning build the motor ect... That will be a year or 2 from now because I'm satisfied with the stock turbo. The only reason I was highly considering going big turbo so soon was because I wanted a better sound from the cars exhaust note. (More of that JDM tuner sound) and I honestly think that's the reason why most are favoring bigger turbos so soon.

 

[perfweld]

The VS2 will out perform the stock turbo all day long. No, you will not have the the same type of spool as you do with stock. Also, the stock block will take much more than 400hp. Most tuners seem to not tune customers cars much over 450 though.



That is absolutely true lol. The VS2 having more lag than some of the other kits is the number one talked about thing on this turbo from people who don't own it. Second to that is speculation on reliability, being that Borg Warner is proven and this turbo is not.

My point is this, you do not own this turbo and have made it pretty clear you have no intentions on ever owning one. You are not contributing anything to this thread besides negativity. We all understand that you are a big supporter of the MAP Turbo kit with the GTX2867R. You don't own either turbo, so this thread is for people that own the VS2 so we all can post results and reviews for others that may be interested. As mentioned before, Perfweld has already trapped 120mph with the VS2, so it's no punk for being a bolt on stock frame setup. My mustang is somewhat of a daily driver too and the car is still a blast, even with the upgraded turbo.



120mph+ is my goal on the stock block. I'll have E85 here shortly once my auxiliary fuel setup comes in. I do feel people think this is the red headed step child of turbos for the mustang. I could have bought any kit on the market, but I chose this one because I wanted a stock frame bolt in turbo. Having it spool a bit later also helps with wheel spin down low too. So far I like it, but I am not really pushing it yet only being on pump gas. The community is full of haters, instead of embracing the many different options that are starting to pop up for our cars.

This turbo should easily get you to your 120 mph goal, but be prepared to not pay attention to how much power it takes, it will be what it it needs to be. I'm there with stock engine, so clearly anyone can, my car is no different than anyone else's. I've even gone 118 mph with the stock air box and a drop in filter with this turbo, talk about a sleeper.

 

[Apwrx]

120mph+ is my goal on the stock block. I'll have E85 here shortly once my auxiliary fuel setup comes in. I do feel people think this is the red headed step child of turbos for the mustang. I could have bought any kit on the market, but I chose this one because I wanted a stock frame bolt in turbo. Having it spool a bit later also helps with wheel spin down low too. So far I like it, but I am not really pushing it yet only being on pump gas. The community is full of haters, instead of embracing the many different options that are starting to pop up for our cars.

Well put. People overreact about the slower spool:frusty: I just love seeing the different builds and options people have. Lots of ways to go fast:cheers:

 

[Busser48]

The VS2 will out perform the stock turbo all day long. No, you will not have the the same type of spool as you do with stock. Also, the stock block will take much more than 400hp. Most tuners seem to not tune customers cars much over 450 though.



That is absolutely true lol. The VS2 having more lag than some of the other kits is the number one talked about thing on this turbo from people who don't own it. Second to that is speculation on reliability, being that Borg Warner is proven and this turbo is not.

My point is this, you do not own this turbo and have made it pretty clear you have no intentions on ever owning one. You are not contributing anything to this thread besides negativity. We all understand that you are a big supporter of the MAP Turbo kit with the GTX2867R. You don't own either turbo, so this thread is for people that own the VS2 so we all can post results and reviews for others that may be interested. As mentioned before, Perfweld has already trapped 120mph with the VS2, so it's no punk for being a bolt on stock frame setup. My mustang is somewhat of a daily driver too and the car is still a blast, even with the upgraded turbo.



120mph+ is my goal on the stock block. I'll have E85 here shortly once my auxiliary fuel setup comes in. I do feel people think this is the red headed step child of turbos for the mustang. I could have bought any kit on the market, but I chose this one because I wanted a stock frame bolt in turbo. Having it spool a bit later also helps with wheel spin down low too. So far I like it, but I am not really pushing it yet only being on pump gas. The community is full of haters, instead of embracing the many different options that are starting to pop up for our cars.

I don't think anyone is hating on you personally, I think people have an opinion from years of experience in the turbo field. They make points, other people listen. I just think they are passionate and want to teach, and be clear on what's possible in the full spectrum of the turbo kits. Not only that, but again I don't think the main argument was about spool, there was a couple pages in a link before, about stuffing larger parts I.e compressor wheels in the stock housing. I am def no expert, I just read lots and lots of info to educate myself as best as possible.

 

[illeagle]

I don't think anyone is hating on you personally, I think people have an opinion from years of experience in the turbo field. They make points, other people listen. I just think they are passionate and want to teach, and be clear on what's possible in the full spectrum of the turbo kits. Not only that, but again I don't think the main argument was about spool, there was a couple pages in a link before, about stuffing larger parts I.e compressor wheels in the stock housing. I am def no expert, I just read lots and lots of info to educate myself as best as possible.

I don't think anyone is hating on me personally. There are two certain people that do not even have experience with this turbo constantly talking crap about it. This is not my first turbo car. I have been in the DSM/EVO world for the last 12 years. The housing on this turbo is completely custom. It is not the stock housing with bigger wheel stuffed in it. Physically, the outside is the same size as the stock housing but the inside is opened up to allow the bigger wheels. There is only so much you can do to keep it a stock frame bolt on turbo. I read and listen to what people say on here for sure, but also note, the ecoboost community is full of sheep. At the end of the day, it is my money, my car and my choice.

 

[perfweld]

I believe within a year or two, we will have many stock frame , OEM looking turbo options, this is just the first. By the look of it Cavalli will have one out as well within 6 months. I'm enjoying playing with this turbo right now, and have my own personal turbo set up in the works as well.

I actually feel sorry for the sheep, I also truly think it's comical that I'm hated on for not seeing eye to eye with the sheep herder, those that truly know me though, know what I've done with my life, and how good of a person I am. I'll keep keeping on, buying , trying and making stuff, one of the beauties of being older.

 

[Spoolin]

I believe within a year or two, we will have many stock frame , OEM looking turbo options, this is just the first. By the look of it Cavalli will have one out as well within 6 months. I'm enjoying playing with this turbo right now, and have my own personal turbo set up in the works as well.

I actually feel sorry for the sheep, I also truly think it's comical that I'm hated on for not seeing eye to eye with the sheep herder, those that truly know me though, know what I've done with my life, and how good of a person I am. I'll keep keeping on, buying , trying and making stuff, one of the beauties of being older.

Deep down inside they all want to trade the Ecoboost in for a 5.0 but are afraid to take the hit. ;)
I myself love my ecoboost, even with its stock turbo.

 

[Glenn G]

I believe within a year or two, we will have many stock frame , OEM looking turbo options, this is just the first. By the look of it Cavalli will have one out as well within 6 months. I'm enjoying playing with this turbo right now, and have my own personal turbo set up in the works as well.

I actually feel sorry for the sheep, I also truly think it's comical that I'm hated on for not seeing eye to eye with the sheep herder, those that truly know me though, know what I've done with my life, and how good of a person I am. I'll keep keeping on, buying , trying and making stuff, one of the beauties of being older.

I applaud all you pioneers, I am really looking forward to a stealthy stock location turbo upgrade. With the numbers you are putting down, vargas looks like a great option, don't let the nay-sayers get to you.

 

[Busser48]

Ok so let me ask you, if I can get to 400 rwhp with full bolt ons and aux fuel kit, what's the point of getting this turbo? For almost $1000 more I would buy the stage 2 and keep 93 gas. The graph for their 93 reads 380 rwhp, and it does change the way the car drives and the curve more to the right.

 

[illeagle]

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. This thread is about the Vargas stage 2. You're going to be pushing the stock turbo really hard on e85 to achieve 400whp. What is your argument even about? You have literally voiced your opinion throughout this entire thread without any experience whatsoever. I don't think this turbo is god. I think it's a very nice, affordable, stock frame upgrade. So I ask again, what is your argument?

 

[Busser48]

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. This thread is about the Vargas stage 2. You're going to be pushing the stock turbo really hard on e85 to achieve 400whp. What is your argument even about? You have literally voiced your opinion throughout this entire thread without any experience whatsoever. I don't think this turbo is god. I think it's a very nice, affordable, stock frame upgrade. So I ask again, what is your argument?

Ok first off take a deep breath! Lol, I have been clear I'm not being an ass, I'm asking to learn!!!!! My question is serious, I was looking for a serious answer without being upset, not sure how much more clear I can be, I'm not busting balls.

 

[Busser48]

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. This thread is about the Vargas stage 2. You're going to be pushing the stock turbo really hard on e85 to achieve 400whp. What is your argument even about? You have literally voiced your opinion throughout this entire thread without any experience whatsoever. I don't think this turbo is god. I think it's a very nice, affordable, stock frame upgrade. So I ask again, what is your argument?

And it's not an argument, do you see anywhere I have dumped on you? Or argued? I made points about what people say in regards to this turbo and second, I'm trying to understand what would be Benefeit of this turbo V's going aux fuel? That is all.

 

[cthomas5714]

I personally support no specific turbo and I love to see all the options that our little 2.3T is getting but comparing an aux fuel system to a turbo upgrade is comparing apples to oranges. Aux fueling is a supplemental upgrade that will max out whatever turbo you have at the moment (give or take a few variables). My theory is that VS2 and the big sauce aux fueling, VS2 could easily hit 500whp but only for a little while. The slower spool only hurts this turbo because our horrible heads. If you go look at an evo's dyno graph you won't notice that torque loss towards the higher rpms. If we had a better head, this turbo would really be able to shine but then again that all is in theory.

 

[Busser48]

I personally support no specific turbo and I love to see all the options that our little 2.3T is getting but comparing an aux fuel system to a turbo upgrade is comparing apples to oranges. Aux fueling is a supplemental upgrade that will max out whatever turbo you have at the moment (give or take a few variables). My theory is that VS2 and the big sauce aux fueling, VS2 could easily hit 500whp but only for a little while. The slower spool only hurts this turbo because our horrible heads. If you go look at an evo's dyno graph you won't notice that torque loss towards the higher rpms. If we had a better head, this turbo would really be able to shine but then again that all is in theory.

Ok ty and I wasn't really comparing aux fuel to a turbo, I guess I was more comparing spending $1,000 on aux fuel and getting close to 400rwhp or spending 2k on the stage 2 and getting 380 or so on pump gas. I think in practical terms, so that's why I'm trying to learn and ask what the advantages are of going the Vargas route if I'm staying with 93 octane?

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