TTV6+AWD or FI-V8

[LHousePhoto]

The 2nd generation Ecoboost 3.5 liter is the only option that makes sense.

A supercharged Coyote is already available from Ford (GT + FRPP/Roush Supercharger)

A Twin Turbo Coyote doesn't make sense with packaging.

A 5.2 liter crossplane crank maybe, but keeping it N/A won't produce the power that would be needed for today's current market, and s/c or tt lead to the same problems of the Coyote.

Ford has committed to this engine by putting it in to their brand Halo car with the Ford GT, it is the linchpin to their Daytona and Le Mans racing campaign. Ford has also committed the 3.5 Ecoboost as their top range engine in two iterations for their largest product. It is the top engine, above the Coyote in the F-150 and the new version will be in the Raptor.

Abandoning it for their new Halo product (in the Mustang) would be a waste of money and packaging nightmare squeezing a different drive train in to the front of the Mustang.

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[Hack]

Awd is not needed to get a car like the hellcat to accelerate well. Its called learn how to drive a high horsepower car. Modulate the pedal. If you lose to a stock mustang in a hellcat you have no business owning a car you cant handle. Its clearly too much car and those people are the ones that wreck their cars when it steps out because they cant handle it. They need to sell it. They are a danger to everyone.

I had zero issues with my 900+ whp 14 gt500. I had zero issues stock. Modulate the pedal properly and you dont lose to drastically slower cars

I disagree that it's as easy as you make it sound.

Do you know me? addle: Funny I thought waving the magical AWD wand was taking the easy way out while finding creative, novel solutions to RWD traction management would be considered thinking outside the box :doh: FYI Ford spent millions of dollars answering that question for a very good reason. So did Ferrari. AWD will most definitely harm this car's legacy regardless of performance numbers. Learn to think outside the box.

If the car is less than 3 seconds 0-60 and beats Ferraris, Corvettes, Porsches, etc. that will not harm the legacy. It would absolutely make a huge positive difference in the Mustang's legacy. I do agree with you that AWD is only one potential option, but you haven't named any options. For instance, another thing Ford could do that would improve launches on a high powered front engine rear drive Mustang is to put the transmission in the back to get more weight on the rear tires. I am open to other solutions. Dazzle me.

By definition, the Mustang is cheap fun. Every Shelby has been the epitome of that philosophy. They are most definitely NOT very complicated or very sophisticated. Blower, stiff suspension, simple coolers and fixed wings. Case in point the GT350, which is decontented. It has a poorer interior, eliminated options for big ticket tech items (ex. radar cruise, auto wipers). Look at any import with even 'just' 500hp and they have FAR more technology, be it advanced trick diffs or other electrical and mechanical doo-dads, active aerodynamics, etc.

Less and less true every year as the Mustang begins to compete with better and better cars/brands. And the GT500 is typically the top of the brand. I would love to see the Mustang get simpler, but with the way sales increased after Ford's latest increase in complexity, I don't see that happening.

Ford can advertise this car as being all new and modern but all they did was bring it into this decade. Limited slip and an IRS are very old technologies. Macpherson up front, no double wishbone. Cooled seats? I mean I am really scratching my head trying to figure out what exactly makes you think this car is so very complicated and sophisticated. Polished, yes. Remember, you can get rear seat heaters and collision assist in a Hyundai Elantra. That does not make it a sophisticated car.

Eh, to each their own. I guess you are able to argue against almost anything. To me auto dimming, seat heaters, IRS, soft plastics, HID, Sync, nav, etc. and even to a lesser degree power windows are complexity I don't need in a car. I also think you are misrepresenting what I said. I'm not saying the Mustang is super complex. It's not bare bones simple, either.

Any halfway decent wheelman in a Hellcat would DEMOLISH a GT. A few amateurs on youtube doesn't refute the amount of people that have perfected the art of a launch in a RWD car.

Actually the video I saw was all pro drivers including people from Dodge. Maybe with traction aids engaged or on a very sticky surface, or with non-factory wider, stickier tires - but as the Hellcat comes from Dodge it's better for burnouts than launches.

A computer controlled "drift mode" is no solution to the driving dynamics of a RWD car. The extra weight of AWD running gear, even disengaged, will cause more understeer. This is exactly what happens when people become number jockeys that chase 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. Ruin the car and the heritage with weight and understeer so you can brag about a 0-60 time?

Actually the heritage of the Mustang IS under steer. The expectations and reputation of the GT500 is that it will be a straight line killer but not great at turning corners. I get the feeling you will say anything just to argue your point rather than considering other opinions. I wasn't suggesting a computer controlled drift mode and I can agree with you that many buyers would want to turn off the front drive and be allowed the freedom to make the rear tires spin and control the resulting slides themselves rather than having a computer do the work.

 

[MikeyV]

LOL. You guys must be smoking the good stuff.

An AWD V6 GT500? Rotfflmao.

Sounds like a Mitsubishi forum.

 

[nastang87xx]

LOL. You guys must be smoking the good stuff.

An AWD V6 GT500? Rotfflmao.

Sounds like a Mitsubishi forum.

And by Mitsubishi, you mean GTR.

 

[Hack]

LOL. You guys must be smoking the good stuff.

An AWD V6 GT500? Rotfflmao.

Sounds like a Mitsubishi forum.

EVO!!!

Actually wouldn't a Mitsu. forum be talking about a big 4 cylinder as an improvement over the current state - whereas here a TT V6 is nearly sacrilege due to being too small? Not sure your joke hits any nearby target.

 

[mustang_guy]

I disagree that it's as easy as you make it sound.

It is easy if you know what you're doing. It just takes skill and a brain. I had zero issues in the gt500. Dont misunderstand it certainly didnt 100% dead hook with no spin on the street. Especially if the slicks werent warmed up i typically had 80-95% of my available traction. However i never lost to a car much slower then myself. Not even close. I had no issues in any of my 11000-1300whp other builds either. You can disagree all you like. I live this life style in most of my fun cars. If your car is set up right and have skills even awd isnt going to beat you. Knowledge and skill goes a long way. Its just like running the no prep events. You can pull your wheels off the ground on the street. Its skill and set up related. Even stock its still related.

 

[Hack]

It is easy if you know what you're doing. It just takes skill and a brain. I had zero issues in the gt500. Dont misunderstand it certainly didnt dead hook with no spin on the street. Especially if the slicks werent warmed up. However i never lost to a car much slower then myself. Not even close. I had no issues in any of my 11000-1300whp other builds either. You can disagree all you like. I live this life style in most of my fun cars. If your car is set up right and have skills even awd isnt going to beat you. Knowledge and skill goes a long way.

There's a big difference between hooking 600+ HP with a warm slick versus 275 40R20 low profile street tires that come on the Hellcat. Heck, even the Mustang GT with 435 HP needs more tire than Ford puts on it to get a 0-60 time anywhere near what the HP/weight ratio shows it's capable of.

 

[mustang_guy]

There's a big difference between hooking 600+ HP with a warm slick versus 275 40R20 low profile street tires that come on the Hellcat. Heck, even the Mustang GT with 435 HP needs more tire than Ford puts on it to get a 0-60 time anywhere near what the HP/weight ratio shows it's capable of.

You still need driver skill. You should never lose to a gt from a stop in a hellcat, viper, vette or gt500. EVER. Which was your argument. Truth be told most people suck at street and drag racing. I dont think the gtpp needs wider. Just not the crap brand it comes with. The base gt needs wider, definitely.

 

[MikeyV]

And by Mitsubishi, you mean GTR.

A GTR already has AWD and a TTV6. Why would anyone go on a GTR Forum and wish for what they already have.

 

[Hack]

Wasn't a joke. You guys sound like a bunch of ricer-flat-brimmin-douche bags.
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Kinda off topic, aren't you?

 

[Newedge713]

A GTR already has AWD and a TTV6. Why would anyone go on a GTR Forum and wish for what they already have.

THANK YOU !!!!!! :cheers:

 

[9secondko]

Ecoboost v8. Just to kill the competition and build the baddest v8 ever in a mass produced car. Might as well do it before CAFE makes it impossible. Or at least rare.

TT v8 makes the most sense from the factory as well as for potential down the line.

The v6 is already showcased in the GT. It doesn't need another.

AWD would be a really sweet bonus in order to utilize all the power. But not 100% necessary.

Can't see the s550 going v6. Maybe in 2020. The gt will likely be an ecoboost v6. With the ecoboost v8 reserved for limited edition models.

 

[minjitta]

Ecoboost v8. Just to kill the competition and build the baddest v8 ever in a mass produced car. Might as well do it before CAFE makes it impossible. Or at least rare.

TT v8 makes the most sense from the factory as well as for potential down the line.

The v6 is already showcased in the GT. It doesn't need another.

AWD would be a really sweet bonus in order to utilize all the power. But not 100% necessary.

Can't see the s550 going v6. Maybe in 2020. The gt will likely be an ecoboost v6. With the ecoboost v8 reserved for limited edition models.

Ford still can make s550 TT without meet the CAFE and just tag on guzzler tax like GT350.

 

[Spectre]

CAFE is about fleet averages, so it shouldn't have much effect on Ford's choice of propulsion for limited production vehicles like a GT500.

The future of regular Mustangs, on the other hand....

 

[Silver6Speed]

This AWD talk is blasphemous. Indefensible on a Mustang forum.

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