Real World Test by the SCCA.

[thePill]

Whoops... looks like the 1LE isn't as dominating as Chevy claimed :lol:

This is called racing, the season starts soon. In real Motorsport, it doesn't take much to topple a 1LE...

I thought for sure "handling" was an area of great strength for the Camaro. Unfortunately, the 2016 SS is only about as quick as the 1LE... with far less endurance.

According to Motor Trend, these results are impossible. The GTPP can keep up with the 1LE in 3rd gear...

This is exactly what was witnessed and reported here last year. As time goes on, more experiences like these will happen. The 1LE even ran with 4 gallons of fuel to save weight :lol:

http://www.solomatters.com/class_report_f-street_comparison


I fear a 2016 SS as much as I feared the 2013 1LE... Once the races happen, few 1LE's were successful.

Strange results by professional drivers...

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[thePill]

Eager to see the 2016 SS and how it faired against the 2015 1LE and 2015 GTPP?

I will post it as soon as it's released...

You won't be happy... It's not faster than the E92 M3, 1LE, Boss 302, Coyote GT and S550. Yes, it ran no faster than the class leader... :lol: which earned it a spot in SCCA FS :lol:

Shouldn't it be in AS with the Boss 302LS? Is the SCCA trying to tell me the '16 SS doesn't compete with the Laguna Seca? Well yeah... they have been saying that since 2012.



thePill has a question... every season, the SCCA holds TNT's in order to determine what cars belong where. Classes like FS are limited to some things, performance being one of them.


How is it that a Boss 302 Laguna Seca was transferred from SCCA FS to SCCA AS if it produced a slower lap than the 1LE :lol:

Oh... the Boss 302 Laguna Seca was faster than the 1LE???

But Motor Trend said...


The SCCA says:

This test is only one set of data points. However, it represents some of the cleanest data available - the same drivers on the same course on fully prepared cars running the same tires. Based on the results, the M3 and the 1LE appear to be very close on this course. As with many classes it is likely that course dependency would play a factor, as a slalom-heavy course would likely favor the narrower M3, and a sweeper heavy course would likely favor the 1LE.In addition, the 2015 Mustang did not seem to be far off, and as mentioned previously 18in tires would provide for a more-useable 3rd gear on courses where it is necessary. The Shelby GT was the slowest of the group, but some of that time gap could be closed with some work on the differential.
In the end, this is only one piece of the full data set, based on one course on one day. Parity isn't necessary determined by autocross speed alone, but a variety of factors, including availability, price to purchase / run, course dependency, etc. It is ultimately up to the SEB, the SAC, and the membership as a whole to determine what fits in specific classes. Hopefully this data can be of some benefit in the decision making process.

The M and 1LE are/were more competition focused. The GT is a volume seller... yet it's cheaper and just as fast as what Motor Trend considers "the handling elite".

Seat time is required, that is all...

 

[ZaneWayne]

Whoops... looks like the 1LE isn't as dominating as Chevy claimed :lol:

This is called racing, the season starts soon. In real Motorsport, it doesn't take much to topple a 1LE...

I thought for sure "handling" was an area of great strength for the Camaro. Unfortunately, the 2016 SS is only about as quick as the 1LE... with far less endurance.

According to Motor Trend, these results are impossible. The GTPP can keep up with the 1LE in 3rd gear...

This is exactly what was witnessed and reported here last year. As time goes on, more experiences like these will happen. The 1LE even ran with 4 gallons of fuel to save weight :lol:

http://www.solomatters.com/class_report_f-street_comparison


I fear a 2016 SS as much as I feared the 2013 1LE... Once the races happen, few 1LE's were successful.

Strange results by professional drivers...

So the fifth gen 1LE is faster than the 6th gen Mustang? I think this is old news.
Edit: Was this one of those "tracks" that is in a parking lot with cones?

 

[flaps]

Am I missing something here? The 1LE was faster than the Mustang.

 

[Sasuketr]

So the fifth gen 1LE is faster than the 6th gen Mustang? I think this is old news.
Edit: Was this one of those "tracks" that is in a parking lot with cones?

I don't get it either, looks like old gen 1le bested the six gen gtpp! And yes it seems to be a parking lot cone track rather than a real road coarse. 38 seconds of a lap. It happened thePill finally lost the remaining screws lol.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I do not know guys. I am trying to find what he was meaning. But I am struggling.

 

[5.0 435]

thePill is back @ it , :lol:
Racing in the Kroger parking lot. Watch out for those shopping carts.

 

[ZaneWayne]

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442741

I mean as far as going relatively fast in a coned parking lot, the 6th gen looks like it does ok. I will say that I have no idea what looks good on a flat surface going around cones.

 

[Khell86]

Sam Strano is a pretty legit driver. I think the point he's trying to get across is what we already knew. The Mustang GTPP, which is really just a general car for the masses, can be just as fast as the more track focused 1LE and M3 with seat time.

 

[kz]

This was test track set up by Laughlin / Strano & company at last years Nationals. It's a coned airport surface, not quite a parking lot and I don't think they will be offended if I say they are not professional drivers (but extremely respected top in country, mutliple national champions autocrossers). What's the message in top post supposed to be, I have no clue as Mustang was the slowest.

Additionally, John Laughlin in Champ Tour in Wilmington, OH last year that I _tried_ to race in kicked absolutely everybody's ass, some good Mustang drivers included (I'm not one of them).

In FS world, as much as I can figure out, everybody is pretty much expecting '16 SS to be a killer. There are many way better autocrossers here than me so feel free to chime in if I'm misrepresenting.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I think thePill actually got the Camaro times, and the Mustang times switched. That is the only explanation of his wording. Because his wording is that the Mustang is faster than the 1LE. But it isn't. And the 6th gen SS is faster than the 1LE *supposedly.* We have yet to see a same track, same day comparison.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I take away from the original post the same thing I take away from every other post in the VS section!. When the real racing starts. The bullsh!t stops. Forum warriors will say bla bla bla car is faster using magazine stats. Not always the case in the real world!:tsk:

 

[ZaneWayne]

I take away from the original post the same thing I take away from every other post in the VS section!. When the real racing starts. The bullsh!t stops. Forum warriors will say bla bla bla car is faster using magazine stats. Not always the case in the real world!:tsk:

I totally agree. But I also like to see what the same day/track/driver times are. Because this takes as much of the driver variable out, and you are left with what each car is capable of. Like the 6th gen Camaro is capable of running high 11s. Does that mean every single time? Far from it lol. I think racing out in the real world shows how much skill the person has and less how capable the car is. :cheers:

 

[Taneras]

I take away from the original post the same thing I take away from every other post in the VS section!. When the real racing starts. The bullsh!t stops. Forum warriors will say bla bla bla car is faster using magazine stats. Not always the case in the real world!:tsk:

Unfortunately the SCCA isn't relevant because they're not racing 100% stock cars, which is the sort of comparisons most people are trying to make/discuss.

Also I gotta wonder, if those magazine tests don't take place in the real world, what world do they take place in?

 

[5.0 435]

I take away from the original post the same thing I take away from every other post in the VS section!. When the real racing starts. The bullsh!t stops. Forum warriors will say bla bla bla car is faster using magazine stats. Not always the case in the real world!:tsk:[/

"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops " Paul Newman's favorite quote

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