Who owned this one

[v guy]

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=499329736&hideBackLink=true

Found a real FRAV '18. 325 miles. Was not down long after transfer. Vehicle is now limited to 12 months/12,000 miles warranty---No more 3yr/36,000 or the 5year 60,000 powertrain warranty. Who would buy a lemon without a real warranty?
Otherwise, it is just a $20,000 car at best, without a real warranty. Is Ford serious, about that almost non existent warranty?

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[Cobra Jet]

Yep....

Even though it’s classified as a Lemon, Ford RAV revokes the original 3/36 and puts a limited mileage warranty on it AND can resell...

I’ve mentioned this in my other threads relating to any Buy Back questions.... Ford is NOT losing any money on a Buy Back vehicle replacement OR refund.

Those Lemons are being recycled when they really should be crushed - because Ford is still trying to get nearly same resale price on a RAV w/branded title vs. a non-RAV.

This label should be on all RAV vehicles too:

 

[v guy]

Ford could easily put the 3/36000, 5/60000 warranty back on it and should.

Otherwise, they are advertising that this car will self destruct.

What kind of brain dead marketing ploy is that? Without a factory warranty, it is nothing more than a vehicle that probably will not be sold. In fact with that sticker, that it does have, and an astronomical price, it is truly a joke. I seriously doubt that Ford Credit would even finance that vehicle with that sticker, further cementing the idiocy of it all.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Ford could easily put the 3/36000, 5/60000 warranty back on it and should.

Otherwise, they are advertising that this car will self destruct.

What kind of brain dead marketing ploy is that? Without a factory warranty, it is nothing more than a vehicle that probably will not be sold. In fact with that sticker, that it does have, and an astronomical price, it is truly a joke. I seriously doubt that Ford Credit would even finance that vehicle with that sticker, further cementing the idiocy of it all.

I agree with your sentiments.

However, by Law for any Lemon’d RAV vehicle, it MUST contain the disclosure and it’s Ford’s policy to revoke the original warranty due to the RAV Buy Back. That label must be present on the vehicle and Ford Corp will not revise that warranty other than the limited warranty as implied. The Dealership also has no say in how RAV operates or what they dictate on reacquired vehicles.

The other issue is, if someone buys that vehicle and tries to register it in another State, they may have doc or titling issues for a vehicle already branded as a Lemon.

The potential buyer of any such car might be able to purchase an Extended Warranty, but I’m not totally sure if that is or is not a possibility, especially if referring to an actual Ford Extended Warranty plan.

I’d suspect someone may get a good deal on it, or it’s just going to bounce from auction to auction, because it’s already hit 3-4 different states according to the CarFax report....

 

[ugstang17]

Yip, these cars should be crushed, or parted out and then crushed IMHO. It would limit dealers buying the cars at auction and then seeking to sell them at HUGE markups in hopes some unsuspecting sucker comes in to buy it and doesn't take the time to check the background on the car. This could be an honest oversight, but I would be very reserved to give the used car manager credit in saying that. I will be placing this dealer on my no-buy list. I have bought cars out of state and in one case sight unseen so when I catch wind of something like this from a dealer I put them on my "DO NOT DEAL WITH" list.

OP - any chance you sent them an email and asked them why they were attempting to sell the car under these conditions at this price?

 

[v guy]

For the hell of it, I called the dealer.
It got a new engine.

Dealer insists that it is STILL covered by the remaining 3/36 warranty AND the 5/60 warranty, and the 1 year/12 Lemon Law warranty.
I am sure that he is wrong, but have no way to verify or discount that statement.

He also said that Ford Credit would finance it, as a used vehicle, but at a higher rate. Tradeins would be a problem, he admitted, and no one would want it...a long term ownership black hole.
It had an MSRP of over $51,000. It is a Premium PP1, Magnaride, active exhaust, and other bells and whistles.

 

[fmc_smt]

For the hell of it ran a oasis report from ford , all warrantees still intact . Here is a copy with the warranty repairs .


OASIS RESULT: 1FA6P8CF7J5112468 USA: EN-US 10-NOVEMBER-2018 / 08:56:11 EST/ EDCAS041A
Local Time: 10-NOVEMBER-2018 / 5:56:11 AM

• VEHICLE INFORMATION

Additional Information
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: 2018 Mustang Version/Series: GT VERSION - CAR PAINT COLOR: BURGUNDY VELVET TC
BODY STYLE: Coupe Drive Type: 2 WHL L/H REAR DRIVE PAINT CODE: R3
ENGINE: MOD 5.0L-4V DOHC SEFI NA AXLE RATIO: 3.73 Ratio GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT: 4720 LB. GVW
ENGINE CALIBRATION: JCGZMFNA AXLE CODE: BB RADIO:
TRANSMISSION: 6 Speed Manual Transmission-MT82 WHEEL SIZE: 19X9 Fr/19X9.5 Rr-Alum Prm Pntd SYNC VERSION: V4 Gen3
FUEL TYPE: Gasoline TIRE: FRT-255/40 RR-275/40R19 Y-SUM VHR ACTIVATED: N
SOLD TO FLEET: NO RETAIL SALES TYPE: R MODEM: 4G SYNC Connect (FordPass)

• OUTSTANDING FIELD SERVICE ACTIONS

NO CAMPAIGN MESSAGE(S) FOUND

• NO WARNING MESSAGES FOUND FOR THIS VIN

• ACCURATE REPAIR NOTIFICATIONS

NO ARN MESSAGES FOUND

• GENERAL WARRANTY INFORMATION

WARRANTY START DATE: 15-DECEMBER-2017 BUILD DATE: 16-NOVEMBER-2017 Release Date: 19-NOVEMBER-2017
SALE MILEAGE: 00026

• WARRANTY COVERAGE

COVERAGE TYPE: Bumper-to-Bumper COVERAGE DESCRIPTION: 3 years / 36,000 Miles (whichever occurs first)
ADDITIONAL INFO:
Some B-to-B parts have limited coverage available:

1. 
   
   
   • Brake pads/linings are limited to 12 months / 18,000 mile coverage
   • Wheel alignment and wheel balance are limited to 12 months / 12,000 mile coverage
   • Windshields replaced for stress cracks are limited to 12 months / 12,000 mile coverage
   • Windshield Wiper blades are limited to 6 months coverage
   • Tires are prorated after 12,000 miles driven

COVERAGE TYPE: Corrosion Perforation COVERAGE DESCRIPTION: 5 years/ Unlimited miles
ADDITIONAL INFO:
No perforation req.on Aluminum Panels



COVERAGE TYPE: Powertrain COVERAGE DESCRIPTION: 5 years / 60,000 Miles (whichever occurs first)
ADDITIONAL INFO: *

COVERAGE TYPE: Safety Restraint COVERAGE DESCRIPTION: 5 years / 60,000 Miles (whichever occurs first)
ADDITIONAL INFO: *

• EXTENDED COVERAGES

NO ESP INFORMATION AVAILABLE

• WARRANTY REPAIR HISTORY

29-JANUARY-2018
DEALER: Ramp Motors, Inc.
WARRANTY CLAIM NUMBER: 332092 ODOMETER: 000370M
PART NUMBER PART DESCRIPTION
QUANTITY

LABOR OP

CONDITION CODE

CONDITION DESC
GN1Z 9D290B OIL PRESSURE SENDER 000 12650D 42 DOES NOT OPERATE PROPERLY
DU2Z 14474CA TERMINAL-WIRE SNAP-O 000 12650D45
FT4Z 6C880B SOL & VLV ASY ENG 000 12650DX1
JR3Z 6006C ENGINE ASSY/BARE 000 6007AXQ
FR3Z 9448A GSKT EXH MNFLD TO CY 000 6007E
GR3Z 9448D GSKT EXH MNFLD TO CY 000 MT12A581
BR3Z 5B266A GSKT RESONATR INLET 000 MT6007A
JL3Z 9439A GASKET-INTAKE MANIFO 000 MT6007A34
W717330S439 000 MT6007E1
JR3Z 6379A BOLT-FLYWHEEL TO CRA 000 MT6600B
W714878S450 000 MT9278A
W712334S440 000 MTDIAG
JR3Z 9J323B TUBE-F/PMP TO F/RAIL 000 MTHLINEDIAG
W705443S900 000
JR3Z 8620A BELT-W/PUMP FAN&GENE 000
JR3Z 9J323A TUBE-F/PMP TO F/RAIL 000
AA5Z 9E583A SEAL (FUEL TRANSFER 000
W714870S430 000
VC 3DILB 000
ROAD TEST VEHICLE,VERIFIED CUSTOMER CONCERN.HOOK UP IDS: P3000,P0316,P0524.F OLLOW PPT AV1-YES, AV2-NO, AV3-N,AV4-YES, AV5-NO, AV6-YES AT THIS POINT EOP SWITCH WAS REPLACED. REVALUATE CONCERN-CONDITION STILL PRESENT.CONTINUE WITH DIAG BY CHECKING CIRCUIT. PPT AV1-YES, AV2-YES, AV3-NO, AV4-NO, AV5-YES, AV 6-NO, AV7-YES, AV8-YES, AV13-YES.RECHECK AV BY WIGGLE TESTING CIRCUIT AND FO
29-JANUARY-2018
DEALER: Ramp Motors, Inc.
WARRANTY CLAIM NUMBER: 332092 ODOMETER: 000370M
PART NUMBER PART DESCRIPTION
QUANTITY

LABOR OP

CONDITION CODE

CONDITION DESC
RENTAL AWA FOR RENTAL VEHIC 000 82 FREIGHT/POSTAGE/MAINTENANCE
TAP PROGRAM 42 DAYS APPROVAL CODE:MSPA976141 $1260

 

[steveo1960]

For the hell of it ran a oasis report from ford , all warrantees still intact . Here is a copy with the warranty repairs .


OASIS RESULT: 1FA6P8CF7J5112468 USA: EN-US 10-NOVEMBER-2018 / 08:56:11 EST/ EDCAS041A
Local Time: 10-NOVEMBER-2018 / 5:56:11 A

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29-JANUARY-2018
DEALER: Ramp Motors, Inc.
WARRANTY CLAIM NUMBER: 332092 ODOMETER: 000370M
PART NUMBER PART DESCRIPTION
QUANTITY

LABOR OP

CONDITION CODE

CONDITION DESC
RENTAL AWA FOR RENTAL VEHIC 000 82 FREIGHT/POSTAGE/MAINTENANCE
TAP PROGRAM 42 DAYS APPROVAL CODE:MSPA976141 $1260

Ramp Motors is not too far from where I live. Don't like that place as the sales people are very aggressive and literally stalk you while you are shopping.

 

[v guy]

I am surprised that this vehicle has not been used as a demonstrator, or given to a salesman to drive, to prove out the repairs.
It is not being sold as a new vehicle, making the lack of use even more mysterious.

It appears that the only safe way to get this vehicle, is via a 3 or 4 year lease, as there is no tradein value for a lemon.

If purchased outright today, and traded on another car in 2 years, the value would be probably be very much under book.

 

[Zinc03svt]

Jennystang owned that car. Lol.

 

[v guy]

I asked the dealer if this vehicle was available for lease.

The answer is no, as the residual value is so low on a FRAV Lemon buy back, that no leasing company wants to be stuck with it, at the end of the lease period, especially Ford Motor Credit.

The vehicle was purchased by the current dealer at auction, after repair by Ford, and I suspect, well below the current advertised price of $39,000.
It might be a good deal at $30,000 or less. It does carry the balance of the factory warranties.

 

[v guy]

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=499938210&hideBackLink=true

Same Dealer has a GT350 Lemon for sale. Same deal with warranty and no leasing.

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