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[esacteksab]

Maybe I missed it, or perhaps I can't remember. Does Whipple have any intentions of releasing an E85 tune?

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[Whipple SC]

Maybe I missed it, or perhaps I can't remember. Does Whipple have any intentions of releasing an E85 tune?

No, that would require a new fuel system and significant cal time to do the cal for a limited amount of vehicles. Our investment into cal's is far greater than most, as cals are developed with Ford cal tools, labs and custom software. No question the power level generated could be incredible but it just doesn't make sense for us.

 

[Process]

No, that would require a new fuel system and significant cal time to do the cal for a limited amount of vehicles. Our investment into cal's is far greater than most, as cals are developed with Ford cal tools, labs and custom software. No question the power level generated could be incredible but it just doesn't make sense for us.

It would be awesome if a value file was created off yours, but I totally get your stance.

 

[Whipple SC]

It would be if it was only for our customers, but it quickly finds its ways into other hands and all that work/money/time goes directly to making our competitors better, losing what/is a competitive advantage. For what it helps, it also hinders.

 

[SVTFreak]

It would be if it was only for our customers, but it quickly finds its ways into other hands and all that work/money/time goes directly to making our competitors better, losing what/is a competitive advantage. For what it helps, it also hinders.

The downside is it leaves you and only you for support when things aren't right. Aka, my brothers f150 that doesn't go to 100% throttle and gets 4-5 mpg worse than stock and all he can do is wait for yall to sort it out.

No way of doing it is perfect. They all have advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Whipple SC]

The downside is it leaves you and only you for support when things aren't right. Aka, my brothers f150 that doesn't go to 100% throttle and gets 4-5 mpg worse than stock and all he can do is wait for yall to sort it out.

No way of doing it is perfect. They all have advantages and disadvantages.

But it also gives us 6-months to 1-year head start on the competition. As for your brothers truck, we are working on the issue. Its an isolated issue on 3 vehicles in 1st gear, 2wd mode only. As for mileage, that is based on driving style. Also, since the IMRC valves are removed, idle is raised 50-100rpm, it is impossible to keep stock mileage in the city. Since shifting is more aggressive, more spirited down shifting, the mileage also suffers. At steady throttle, highway speeds, the mileage is rarely effected. Its a give and take. The more aggressive you are, the more fuel it requires. If we let it shift to 6th gear by 35mph and never down shift except for WOT like stock, then mileage would increase significantly.

 

[Process]

It would be if it was only for our customers, but it quickly finds its ways into other hands and all that work/money/time goes directly to making our competitors better, losing what/is a competitive advantage. For what it helps, it also hinders.

Totally get it, but at the same time, are you really competing against tuners? I guess a flip side of the coin is, more competent tuners out there who understand your product from your perspective the better as it opens up your sales options.

I also totally get how your file could also be used on say a KB, Roush, Procharger, and Vortech car etc with just some manipulation, which could in fact help them.

 

[Whipple SC]

Totally get it, but at the same time, are you really competing against tuners? I guess a flip side of the coin is, more competent tuners out there who understand your product from your perspective the better as it opens up your sales options.

I also totally get how your file could also be used on say a KB, Roush, Procharger, and Vortech car etc with just some manipulation, which could in fact help them.

I don't think were competing against tuners, we offer tuner kits, shops like Lethal Performance, Bama and others do their own tuning. Lund offers plenty of cals that work really well.

We offer the most powerful 50-state, emission legal calibration that has the most extensive testing and incredible results. That's always been our goal. We have to package the cal to be legal.

Guys that want E85, built motors, cam's, etc. or different things then our cal go the custom route.

It certainly would be an interesting market study, comparing the age old argument of open source vs closed course, but from the research we have done, its a fine line and a balance.

 

[SVTFreak]

But it also gives us 6-months to 1-year head start on the competition. As for your brothers truck, we are working on the issue. Its an isolated issue on 3 vehicles in 1st gear, 2wd mode only. As for mileage, that is based on driving style. Also, since the IMRC valves are removed, idle is raised 50-100rpm, it is impossible to keep stock mileage in the city. Since shifting is more aggressive, more spirited down shifting, the mileage also suffers. At steady throttle, highway speeds, the mileage is rarely effected. Its a give and take. The more aggressive you are, the more fuel it requires. If we let it shift to 6th gear by 35mph and never down shift except for WOT like stock, then mileage would increase significantly.

Idling at negative 11 degrees of time at 170 rpm higher (not 50-100) doesn't exactly make things more efficient though.

 

[Whipple SC]

Idling at negative 11 degrees of time at 170 rpm higher (not 50-100) doesn't exactly make things more efficient though.

Timing varies as well as rpm. Sounds like a massive air leak really. Try getting one to idle at 500 and let me know how successful you are without stalling during city driving.

 

[esacteksab]

I don't think were competing against tuners, we offer tuner kits, shops like Lethal Performance, Bama and others do their own tuning. Lund offers plenty of cals that work really well.

We offer the most powerful 50-state, emission legal calibration that has the most extensive testing and incredible results. That's always been our goal. We have to package the cal to be legal.

Guys that want E85, built motors, cam's, etc. or different things then our cal go the custom route.

It certainly would be an interesting market study, comparing the age old argument of open source vs closed course, but from the research we have done, its a fine line and a balance.

I work in the software industry so I understand Open Source and IP, but there are plenty of companies making BILLIONS of dollars on Open Source software. Nothing a good license/lawyer can't fix.

There is strength in the community!

 

[Whipple SC]

I work in the software industry so I understand Open Source and IP, but there are plenty of companies making BILLIONS of dollars on Open Source software. Nothing a good license/lawyer can't fix.

There is strength in the community!

Ya but who wants to give more money to lawyers????? :headbonk::headbonk::doh::doh:

 

[esacteksab]

Ya but who wants to give more money to lawyers????? :headbonk::headbonk::doh::doh:

Very true! :amen::amen:

 

[Process]

Problem is these tune files aren't protected under dmca. Whipple can sell their calibration but they can't sue anyone if they use it or resell it in their own. It's technically fords calibration.

This has been in the tuning community for years. It applies to other hardware modding services too.


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[LAK3RS]

How much is the warranty and what all does it include exactly?

To achieve the 650rwhp mark as mentioned earlier in this thread, were the upgraded 132mm throttle body and dual fans used?

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