Unofficial Off Topic Thread

[sk47]

My point was the fraud in Minnesota was identified about 3 years ago. The ring leader was a white woman.

Hello; I have learned that as much as ten plus years ago some of the fraud was brought to the attention of state officials by what are called whistleblowers. The story I have read/heard in not only did the whistle blowers get given a hard time, but the authorities did not do enough to deal with the fraud.
That the fraud is three years or ten years ongoing is an important fact. That it is current is also important. That those directly in charge appear to have flubbed, ignored or otherwise failed in their duty is also important. I want all involved in the fraud or who profited by looking the other way to get their just due.

You may have information I do not yet know. A white woman being charged works for me. Never intended for anyone to get away with fraud, white or not. I forget the number of convictions and indictments in total so far in the MN fraud investigation. Maybe over 90 with 70 some being Somali. Whatever the other are is fine with me. Punish them all.
I pay taxes. A small amount compared to the overall fraud, but it is still my money being stolen. Convict and punish all if possible. I go with a late show regular, Tyrus, on this. I am a moneyest.

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[sk47]

This seems to have been made a huge right wing issue solely for the purpose of creating more conflict and as a pretext for more federal police action. ICE tactics are clearly well beyond normal police procedures.

Hello; Shows up as the opposite to me. Pretty sure in other places when local or state law officers arrest and charge a person, that a check is then made. If there is a federal warrant or some such out for that person, then ICE is contacted. Then that individual can be simply turned over to the ICE or other federal agents. No need for actions in the streets and such. Just go pick up the illegal immigrant at the local jail.

What I see from televised stuff is the local police in sanctuary cities not only do not turn over such criminals but also do not help keep the protesters/rioters away from ICE. The ICE officers have a job to do of enforcing the law as it currently exists. When crowds already proven to be violent begin to interfere then "normal" procedures do not work.

 

[Balr14]

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[HoosierDaddy]

A person I know suggested something a few weeks ago. The idea is the loopholes that can be used to commit fraud may not be accidents. That fraud is perhaps intended or if not directly intended, at least part of the way the laws are written.

Don't know about this situation but laws often have flaws that invite problems and it's not plausible that most if not all voting for them for did not realize.

Example: people complained to congress about tax refunds taking too long. Solution: simply pass law and associated regs mandating refunds must be mailed within x days. Result: The IRS sent out untold fraudulent tax refunds because they couldn't review them in time. I personally had a return rejected because "I had already filed and received a large refund". It had been paid to someone using my SSN but a totally different name and fake W4s, 1099s, etc. for financial institutions and employers in states I've never even visited. They were so apologetic that my actual refund would be delayed a year or more over this. They did not think it funny when I told them I owed and asked if that meant I should hold off paying for a year.

They are doing the same thing now with gun and carry permits. Several states/cities/etc intentionally sit on applications for weeks, months or years because they don't like the laws that implemented permits. Same solution as slow tax refunds. Congress passed a law saying any must be issued within x days of application. Now nobody has to wait. Which I'll give 10,000 to 1 odds that will also mean at least a few escaped convict serial killers will be issued permits.

In both cases the legislators knew those things would happen, but who cares? It stopped the complaints about delayed refunds/permits and set the stage for even worse situations they could get votes in future elections by promising to fix.

 

[sk47]

For example, standing in front of, or behind a vehicle is nothing more than an attempt to provoke action that allows deadly force to be used. Ask any real police trainer. Their actions are entirely attempts to incite the people to justify more police actions.

Hello; You fundamentally have the facts wrong and are throwing in an unfounded opinion.

I have seen a number of videos of the shooting of the Good woman. Ther is also information that she and her partner had driven to other places and interfered with ICE officers earlier in the day. Using their vehicle to block streets.
Another thing I think you may be omitting is that the driver (Good) was ordered to get out of the vehicle at least twice by an officer before the shooting. That an officer was at the open window of the car and was reaching in apparently trying to open the door. He had his body partly inside the car.
it is clear enough from the officer who did the shooting's video that he was struck by the car. Also, by other videos. As an aside. A driver does not get to run into a pedestrian.

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. If I as a civilian order you to get out of a car you are fee to ignore me and drive off. I do not have the option to stop you.
Very much different when an officer orders you out of the car. From the point of that verbal order the situation became an enforcement. Once an encounter is at that point the officers cannot simply back off. It is tragic the woman did not follow the verbal orders.

It may be some prosecutor will charge and try the officer. At this point I will consider such to be a wrong move.

 

[Balr14]

I'm afraid you and I will never agree.... on lots of things! ICE tactics are clearly intended to provoke such actions. There's no way any legitimate law enforcement agency would engage in their actions.

 

[sk47]

I'm afraid you and I will never agree.... on lots of things! ICE tactics are clearly intended to provoke such actions. There's no way any legitimate law enforcement agency would engage in their actions.

Hello; Fascinating. There is a federal law or few on the books about crossing the border, being an immigrant, committing a crime while in the country illegally and likely more. ICE and Border Patrol Officers are federal law officers. Interesting how I see the agencies as enforcing the existing law.

I try to picture such mob interference with ICE agents arresting an illegal border crosser who just ran over a family with a over the road semi. One of those tragic semi killings happened here in TN if memory serves.
Or picture a mob interfering with ICE agents trying to arrest an illegal who raped or murdered a child. Oops. That is exactly what has happened. Some of those arrested by ICE did indeed rape a child. Some indeed are murders.
So, you are correct in that we do not agree on this in particular and have in the past on other things. Here is something else we disagree about. The folks in Minnesota who want to protest ICE ought to be able to voice an opinion. However, they should not get to interfere.
Clearly there is interference going on as shown in the many videos.

You have again ignored my point about ICE arrests outside of sanctuary cities. The difference being ICE does not use the tactics you object to. There is no mob getting in the way, so such is not needed.

But I do see provocation going on, except not by ICE. I saw a story recently where one of the anti-ICE mobs went into a restaurant to accost a couple of tecs who had nothing to do with ICE. Today's outrage is about such a mob going into a church service chanting anti-ICE slogans.

I found a story today and you are correct there was one white woman convicted of a feed the children fraud. Thing is there were 70 Somalis convicted as well. Somehow you only noticed the white woman.

 

[sk47]

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[sk47]

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Hello; Is this real?

 

[CrazyHippie]

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Hello; Is this real?

I'm thinking that there's only a very slim possibility that it's real. It reminds me of this:

 

[sk47]

Hello; I do not necessarily want to discuss the riots in MN. I am asking a question about carry permits. I have had carry permits in two states. In both I am required to have my permit with me to be legal.
A current news story is about a shooting. A detail caught my attention. The private citizen did not have any ID is reported. On top of being a dumb move to get in the middle of a riot is the lack of a permit on your person illegal.

 

[IPOGT]

I'm afraid you and I will never agree.... on lots of things! ICE tactics are clearly intended to provoke such actions. There's no way any legitimate law enforcement agency would engage in their actions.

ICE tactics are not meant to provoke anything. They have a job to do and that job is going to get done. Simple as that.

 

[sk47]

ICE tactics are not meant to provoke anything. They have a job to do and that job is going to get done. Simple as that.

Hello; I agree with your take. ICE and border officers are at the enforcement level not policy. I may understand why some leaders in MN are on a soapbox.

Follow the money might be one meaning the scammed money may not have only wound up in the pockets of daycare or learing centers. I made up a new joke. I get someone to talk about the upcoming Superbowl. I then say I sure cannot afford a ticket because i am not a learing center owner. ( not much of a joke, I know)

Another is a future hope of a pardon or some sort of shield if and when a change of fortune for parties might happen.

I do not quite get why everyday people have taken up the cause of criminal illegal aliens. I get why party bosses and such may be on board. Votes and maybe kickbacks from fraud. Seems five to ten years ago some whistle blowers tried to stop the fraud. When the accusations hit the "racist card " was thrown which apparently stopped any investigations.
I think Blair not too long ago pointed out that a white woman was finally convicted. Such is fine with me as i want any who steal tax dollars to be in jail. He, Blair, left out that 70 Somalis are also convicted.
The only thing I can come up with after hours of listening to Washington Journal in the mornings is the propaganda they are fed is effective. It appears to be the latest thing to rail against.
Or maybe they are mad because the "green new deal" is currently being dismantled.

There is legal immigration of something like a million per year. Up until last month I had a family from Nigeria as neighbors. They are doing it the legal way. The father was proud to get a green card last year or so. He is a medical doctor so is a useful addition to my community.
The people ICE is after are known criminals. Some violent. Some known to have abused children. The sanctuary cities have some hundreds in jail from being arrested for local crimes. Why not just release them to ICE quietly & safely.

 

[sk47]

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[sk47]

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Hello; Is this real and do Mustangs have a work around if it does turn out to be true?

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