Tuning Decisions

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Um, not everyone wants ETs. I don't drag race personally, I mean, bragging rights are cool and all but too much is at play - traction, driver skill, weather... They've already said there will be track times coming, and I'm sure someone that buys it will also go to the track at some point.

You buy a tune for increased power, correct? Mph translates to hp. Not sure why a person would not want a company to show what they can do before giving them a substantial amount of money...that's weird.

The variables you list are either controlled or can be eliminated. You might look into what all can be learned from a pass at the drag strip.

Telling us they merged onto the highway and have driven 4000 miles is not telling us anything quantitative. You should be asking for more as a potential customer.

Anyone from Cobb, still waiting on answers to my questions, btw. Still waiting for tech data regarding the pulley and wondering when we'll see your car in action, just as a reminder.

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[dirty-max]

I like livernois because they seem to have been able to get great power out of the car and have some videos..but I have not seen anything outside of livernois. I hope this car does the same outside of livernois what it did inside I don't want to be the test dummy on anything..the no custom tuning scares me a little but until I see cars all over making similar numbers with their tuning I'll be skeptical..what do you guys think?

 

[dragonacc]

This whole thread just confuses me I honestly have no clue which tuner I should buy they all seem to have pros and cons and i honestly don't know which one I would even see the best gains/perf/satisfaction from..what do you guys think? I want a good time at the track but I also want to daily drive this thing alot the livernois seems good if it really is consistent regardless of data logging but I also like the monitoring from cobb..any thoughts?

Here's my personal opinion and it's nothing against any of the tuners.

SCT X4 and Accessport allow you the ability to let someone else besides the people you bought it from tune your car.

MyCalibrator, unless I'm mistaken, only Livernois can tune.

I'm not saying that Livernois isn't a good/great/super tuner. I've never personally used any of their tunes. But on my 11 GT I tried tunes from 3 different tuners before I settled on one that was perfect for me and my particular likes/dislikes.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Next I'm going to hear Anselms Ontological Argument used to explain how there can be no greater tuner.

LOL.

You gotta give him the benefit that at least he answers questions and knows how to use metaphors. He's given far more info/explanation than any competitors.

 

[15Boostang]

Just one question @ cobb. Is there a reason even the most aggressive stage 1 tune cannot hit 300whp? The tq numbers are great, but that just means spending more money on supporting mods. If livernois is almost 320, you would think cobb would offer something at least competitive hp wise.

 

[EcoSnake]

Anyone from Cobb, still waiting on answers to my questions, btw. Still waiting for tech data regarding the pulley and wondering when we'll see your car in action, just as a reminder.

I didn't buy the cobb pulley, but installed different brands on my sti and frs/brz. It's well known in the subaru community that the shock one is just a peice of steel and nothing more. I have one in my garage left over. The flat piston boxer motor doesn't need a harmonic balancer. It's been argued for a decade by people saying the same things as you. Nobody has proven it has any negative effect.

 

[dragonacc]

You buy a tune for increased power, correct? Mph translates to hp. Not sure why a person would not want a company to show what they can do before giving them a substantial amount of money...that's weird.

The variables you list are either controlled or can be eliminated. You might look into what all can be learned from a pass at the drag strip.

Telling us they merged onto the highway and have driven 4000 miles is not telling us anything quantitative. You should be asking for more as a potential customer.

Anyone from Cobb, still waiting on answers to my questions, btw. Still waiting for tech data regarding the pulley and wondering when we'll see your car in action, just as a reminder.

Why aren't you asking any of the other vendors for their times at the strip? Only Livernois and WMS have posted anything. Everyone gets a free pass except Cobb from you. You just sound like you have it out for them, that's all.

 

[EcoSnake]

LOL.

You gotta give him the benefit that at least he answers questions and knows how to use metaphors. He's given far more info/explanation than any competitors.

Just trying to share what little knowledge I have with my fellow enthusiasts. Not everyone understands the technical talk. :-)

 

[foghat]

I want to go with COBB because I like some of the extra features like launch control (for street lights ). But will I need to get a protune just to account for the ford racing catback I'm having installed?

If so I'd rather not bother with then having to find someone else to do a custom tune for me. Unless someone can suggest a specific dealer who sells the accessport and does new tunes for free thereafter

Cobb typically offers tunes for a number of the common mods. Does not look like they have any on their site yet, but am sure they are coming.

This said, it could be the case a cat back exhaust will not require a modified tune.

Just one question @ cobb. Is there a reason even the most aggressive stage 1 tune cannot hit 300whp? The tq numbers are great, but that just means spending more money on supporting mods. If livernois is almost 320, you would think cobb would offer something at least competitive hp wise.

This is why it would be nice to see some trap speeds from cobb - those are a true indication of the hp being made.

Trying to compare dyno numbers generally does not work very well - for a number of reasons. Especially numbers from 2 different types of dynos, like you are doing.

 

[dirty-max]

Cobb typically offers tunes for a number of the common mods. Does not look like they have any on their site yet, but am sure they are coming.

This said, it could be the case a cat back exhaust will not require a modified tune.



This is why it would be nice to see some trap speeds from cobb - those are a true indication of the hp being made.

Trying to compare dyno numbers generally does not work very well - for a number of reasons. Especially numbers from 2 different types of dynos, like you are doing.

This is exactly why right now I feel that livernois has the upper advantage because people actually know what they can do so cobb needs to take it to the track we need to see exactly how well it will perform..maybe the added torque will help over the lower hp than livernois I want to see

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

It's well known in the subaru community that the stock one is just a piece of steel and nothing more. It's been argued for a decade by people saying the same things as you.

It's either well known and accepted or it's argued. Not both. Cobb claims to have the answer. All I'm asking for is to see the proof, multiple times now, which has yet to be provided.

 

[foghat]

This is exactly why right now I feel that livernois has the upper advantage because people actually know what they can do so cobb needs to take it to the track we need to see exactly how well it will perform..maybe the added torque will help over the lower hp than livernois I want to see

One can't really even say with certainty cobb is making less power. I agree it looks like they are, but Cobb's dyno is a mustang dyno and those typcially read a fair bit lower than the dynojets - which is what Livernois is doing.

The proof is in the pudding and pudding is sitting at the end of the 1/4 mile.

 

[dirty-max]

One can't really even say with certainty cobb is making less power. I agree it looks like they are, but Cobb's dyno is a mustang dyno and those typcially read a fair bit lower than the dynojets - which is what Livernois is doing.

The proof is in the pudding and pudding is sitting at the end of the 1/4 mile.

That's true...hopefully cobb will post track times really soon I'd love to see a mid 12

 

[15Boostang]

Cobb typically offers tunes for a number of the common mods. Does not look like they have any on their site yet, but am sure they are coming.

This said, it could be the case a cat back exhaust will not require a modified tune.



This is why it would be nice to see some trap speeds from cobb - those are a true indication of the hp being made.

Trying to compare dyno numbers generally does not work very well - for a number of reasons. Especially numbers from 2 different types of dynos, like you are doing.

Yeah Im simply curious as to the reason, It could just be a dyno thing, I know mustang dynos typically read lower then say dyno-jet.

One thing I will say is another major tuning company (APR) that tunes basically anything from volkswagen group. They keep their tunes under lock and keep, no additional software, no nothing. And you have to visit one of their dealers to even have it loaded on your ecm.

That being said they are one of the most reputable vw/audi/porche tuners in the world. And their tunes are amazing. Hell the stage one tune on an mk7 gti puts down 316/381 on 93.

I just wish I could have cobb's features, and livernois's numbers.

 

[foghat]

It's either well known and accepted or it's argued. Not both. Cobb claims to have the answer. All I'm asking for is to see the proof, multiple times now, which has yet to be provided.

The fact that the earth was flat, was well known and accepted. Though some people argued it wasn't.....

If everything that was once 'well known and accepted' was never argued, we'd be living in some interesting times.

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