The Ford Powers That Be!

[EngieKev]

Honestly, I think the Fiesta and Fusion ST's are a waste of time. By the time you get to the out-the-door price of those things, you might as well get yourself a real performance vehicle, like the Mustang.

When I saw the Bronco prototype back in 2011 or so, I was drooling all over that thing! So an F150 based Bronco would be killer!

As for the SHO, I like it, I'm a fan of the new designs, especially the AWD versions, as I live in UT, and we get more than our fair share of snow.

Yes, please explain how you can buy a GT or ecoboost perf pack for $21k MSRP and get 35mpg on the highway

Fiesta ST New for $18k, $21k MSRP
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...TA[FIESTA%7CST]][]]&listingId=388513320&Log=0

Focus ST New for $20k, $25k MSRP
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...CUS[FOCUS%7CST]][]]&listingId=383088692&Log=0

What's wrong with having a practical car that gets great gas mileage, lots of room with the hatch, fun to drive without getting arrested, and is very cheap to own?

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[Clearman]

how do you think 4 door hatchbacks are a waste of time.. they fund and make a mustang possible..

you need to look at the sales. the mustang is a niche market.. the fact that they take the time to make these cars fast and fun is wonderful!

beers

I'm not opposed to them as far as their existence. My point is that once you have an ST out the door, you could have a Mustang. To each their own, but inasmuch as the Mustang is a niche market, so are the suped up hatches. I'm just of the opinion that if you're going to do something worth doing, don't do it half-assed. If you like racing, don't wuss out and get a "wannabe" hatch, hang your balls out there and get a REAL car like the Stang!

That's just my opinionated opinion, but, there you have it. :cheers:

 

[L8APEX]

I can see the following:

Fiesta ST 2-door
Focus RS
Taurus SHO(Refreshed)

 

[Clearman]

It's quite easy to purchase a Fiesta ST for under $20K and a friend of mine bought a Focus ST for $21.8k. You are going to be hard pressed to buy a GT Mustang for under $30k. A V6 or Ecoboost are close in price and the performance is fairly equivalent but a Focus ST is infinitely more practical with four doors and enough back seat room for real people with legs to sit in the back.

Different people have different needs and the Focus & Fiesta STs fill a need the Mustang can't.

Point taken, but I still believe that "ST" buyers are just as much a niche mdemographic as Mustang buyers.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

It's quite easy to purchase a Fiesta ST for under $20K and a friend of mine bought a Focus ST for $21.8k. You are going to be hard pressed to buy a GT Mustang for under $30k. A V6 or Ecoboost are close in price and the performance is fairly equivalent but a Focus ST is infinitely more practical with four doors and enough back seat room for real people with legs to sit in the back.

Different people have different needs and the Focus & Fiesta STs fill a need the Mustang can't.

People worrying about the practicality of their car aren't going to buy a car that's manual-transmission only (the reason I don't know anybody who considered buying one of the ST's).

 

[Clearman]

I think they'll have a twin turbo v6 in the mustang within the next 5 years. I'm sure they could make a twin turbo v8 now if they wanted. But that would be a huge step up. Ford is a business and I'm sure they want to incrementally increase the horsepower, to make something new for the next generation. 7th gen mustang gt with twin turbo v8 anyone?

After giving it more thought, here's my prediction:

2017: Ford GT Ecoboost 6 cyl, 650-700HP produced in limited numbers until 2019 at $90k MSRP w/ $10k - $15k dealer markup (because people will pay it).

2020 - 2023: Mustang GT500 Ecoboost V8 introduced, 725HP+, limited production 1st year run @ $70k MSRP + $5k dealer markups. Ramp up production 2nd year, 735HP $71k MSRP.

This is all dependant upon whether Ford plans on moving away from V8s entirely, or not, as CAFE regs are getting tighter each year with Obama's fuel econ legislation.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Double post.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

2017: Ford GT Ecoboost 6 cyl, 650-700HP produced in limited numbers until 2019 at $90k MSRP w/ $10k - $15k dealer markup (because people will pay it).

What car are you talking about here? A special-edition Mustang? Because the Ford GT's MSRP will be closer to $250,000 (I had originally thought around $180,000 but evidently that's lower than they intend based on their positioning of it against the 458 and 650S).

 

[Clearman]

I mean personally I love truck based SUVs over the crossover cars, but is there really room for the Bronco between the Flex, Escape, Edge and Explorer? I'm of the opinion that Ford could REALLY use something in the truck category smaller than the F150 though. They are HUGE now. The Ranger at half the size and add a Raptor-esque FP treatment would be pretty sick.

I think you're right about Ford having too many ponies in the SUV corral. If the Bronco were to make a big come back, it would have to have a big enough demographic to compete directly with Jeep Wranglers, Toyota FJ's and the like, as well as get rid of one of its SUVs in its lineup for Ford to risk it.

 

[Clearman]

Yes, please explain how you can buy a GT or ecoboost perf pack for $21k MSRP and get 35mpg on the highway

Fiesta ST New for $18k, $21k MSRP
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...TA[FIESTA%7CST]][]]&listingId=388513320&Log=0

Focus ST New for $20k, $25k MSRP
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...CUS[FOCUS%7CST]][]]&listingId=383088692&Log=0

What's wrong with having a practical car that gets great gas mileage, lots of room with the hatch, fun to drive without getting arrested, and is very cheap to own?

Nothing wrong with practical or economic whatsoever. However, to the point, if that's your aim, I'm betting you're barely going to spring for electric windows and locks on your 4-door econ Fiesta/Focus, let alone a few grand more for an "ST".

 

[Clearman]

People worrying about the practicality of their car aren't going to buy a car that's manual-transmission only (the reason I don't know anybody who considered buying one of the ST's).

Agreed.

 

[Clearman]

What car are you talking about here? A special-edition Mustang? Because the Ford GT's MSRP will be closer to $250,000 (I had originally thought around $180,000 but evidently that's lower than they intend based on their positioning of it against the 458 and 650S).

You could be 100% correct. I'm guesstimating. I was being conservative, as I think Ford may want the GT to complete with a ZR-1 variant, which in recent years, was at $110k fully loaded.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

You mean the Ford Troller T4, which is for the Brazilian Market? I hope that's not released as a Bronco. I'd prefer an F150 based one.

http://2015carreviews.com/2015-ford-troller-t4-new-ford-bronco/

No, there was actually a Bronco there not just the T4.

 

[Trackaholic]

I would like Ford to bring back the Ranger. I miss my 1995.

-T

 

[ShelbyGT350]

After giving it more thought, here's my prediction:

2017: Ford GT Ecoboost 6 cyl, 650-700HP produced in limited numbers until 2019 at $90k MSRP w/ $10k - $15k dealer markup (because people will pay it).

2020 - 2023: Mustang GT500 Ecoboost V8 introduced, 725HP+, limited production 1st year run @ $70k MSRP + $5k dealer markups. Ramp up production 2nd year, 735HP $71k MSRP.

This is all dependant upon whether Ford plans on moving away from V8s entirely, or not, as CAFE regs are getting tighter each year with Obama's fuel econ legislation.

I think you're living in dreams if you think the Ford GT will be at 90K MSRP. More like $190K or $290K. The construction of all carbon fiber tub and exterior panels along with aluminum frame will cost $$$. That car is very similar (without the electric front motors) to the McLaren. They will likely be sold out when the order books open with at least $100K in ADM. Unfortunately, the Corvette mid-engine car will be built with more conventional materials, have the LT4 motor, and be priced around $100K.

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