The Down and Dirty ADM Thread

[firestarter2]

You just made an excuse. Why should any business be sleazy, why is this the expected? Is our word not our bond anymore?

I like the GT350 that is why, wtf dont you get. I as a consumer have the right to complain about any of the practices you so readily accept.

I ordered a car from a dealer 600 miles from home, my local dealer wouldnt even answer if they COULD order a car. I emailed, went into the dealer ship, nothing. So I took my money elsewhere.

I dont have a issue with ford(aside from there absurd ordering process)

Please explain logically how Im part of the problem?

It's not making excuses. It is a car and the car business. I can't think of a more sleazy business other than real estate maybe. Unfortunately it is to be expected to a certain degree.

Why are you even trying to buy a Ford? In my short time here all I've seen you do is piss and moan about ADM, bad dealers and everything else under the sun. You are part of the problem by indirectly supporting these tactics. So use the biggest weapon you can use as a consumer is vote with your wallet. Buy a competitor's car.

As far as I can tell, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy a GT350 (or attempt to buy). I agree with [MENTION=16421]PP0001[/MENTION] in that I've never heard such nonsense posted in a car forum. Ford dealers preying on people's desires or whatever. Give me a break. :rant:

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[firestarter2]

So M6G is only a place to whine and complain? Sorry, but good experiences and positive stories are relevant to the GT 350 experience too.

Who said its only a place to whine and complain? It should be a place all experiences are shared. I was responding to the logic "I got my car I dont see what the problem is"

 

[JRedondox]

Did you buy it in San Diego, or have it drop shipped there? I'm drop shipping one to the Valley from out of state.

[MENTION=24998]mikeylikesit[/MENTION] I bought it from Fuller Ford Chula Vista. It was their first 17 allocation. I have a great relationship with them. My salesman called me as soon as he saw it come in.

 

[JRedondox]

Congrats...why do you want two?

Dealer here has allocation and is $5k over on non-R. Atlanta.

[MENTION=21828]ATL Golfer[/MENTION]

I have so much money invested on my other one I can't find myself selling or trade it in plus it's almost paid for.

 

[Spa2k]

Who said its only a place to whine and complain? It should be a place all experiences are shared. I was responding to the logic "I got my car I dont see what the problem is"

You said his positive experience isn't relevant to the discussion, when it is. So here's another couple: I bought my car at MSRP, with no hassles from the dealer at all, and I helped another member here get a car at MSRP from the same dealer. Not all dealers are thieves; buyers set the prices, and if they'd quit paying ADM, there would be no ADM. However, I do agree that any dealer that backs out of a deal or changes the terms of the deal is scum and doesn't deserve anyone's business.

 

[PP0001]

I live in a world where I treat people the way I want to be treated and that goes for car dealerships as well. From many of the comments you have made on multiple thread I believe you live in the same world although you may not acknowledge it. Perhaps you and the occasional Ford dealership will have a change of heart just as those small town dealerships that sell these at MSRP already have.

With all due respect I have never approved ADM's at any level but the fact is that they remain and I accept them for what they are.

As far as small town dealerships selling these cars at MSRP, where do you get this stuff from?? I travel across much of North America on a constant basis and even in the Southeast some of the highest ADM's are coming from those small town dealerships in my area. There are probably just as many MSRP deals done on the large city basis as there are in small town America.

In the last year or so I have purchased 3 GT350/GT350R's at 3 different Ford dealerships and out of the 3 deals that I was able to negotiate 2 of them were at MSRP with one having an ADM. Where do you think that the ADM deal was struck? It was in a small town that had the ADM with the much larger cities/dealerships that provided the MSRP deals. Don't give me this crap and suggest that the small town dealerships all provide these cars at MSRP and again just shows your lack of knowledge in the real world.

As far as treating people the way you want to be treated, I echo that sentiment and after pretty much 50 years of buying Fords and Mustangs I have come to make friends with many Ford personnel both on the dealership and corporate level and for you to suggest that Ford and/or their dealerships are preying on someone's desires pretty much speaks for itself.

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[Minn19]

You just made an excuse. Why should any business be sleazy, why is this the expected? Is our word not our bond anymore?

I like the GT350 that is why, wtf dont you get. I as a consumer have the right to complain about any of the practices you so readily accept.

I ordered a car from a dealer 600 miles from home, my local dealer wouldnt even answer if they COULD order a car. I emailed, went into the dealer ship, nothing. So I took my money elsewhere.

I dont have a issue with ford(aside from there absurd ordering process)

Please explain logically how Im part of the problem?

If you read and understood anything I've posted, you'll see I don't 'readily accept" the bad business practices. Nor would I do business with dealers that pull bait/switch and other BS tactics. I didn't make an excuse. It is an unfortunate reality of this type of business and life for that matter.

If you don't understand how you are part of the problem, explaining it to you won't do any good. Some people just like to complain about everything and forums are a magnet for those people unfortunately.

 

[firestarter2]

You said his positive experience isn't relevant to the discussion, when it is. So here's another couple: I bought my car at MSRP, with no hassles from the dealer at all, and I helped another member here get a car at MSRP from the same dealer. Not all dealers are thieves; buyers set the prices, and if they'd quit paying ADM, there would be no ADM. However, I do agree that any dealer that backs out of a deal or changes the terms of the deal is scum and doesn't deserve anyone's business.

If a person goes to a dealer and has a bad experience your positive experience is not relevant to him. It does not make his bad experience any better. Do you get it?

Is it relevant to the thread yes. To him and his experience no.

 

[firestarter2]

If you read and understood anything I've posted, you'll see I don't 'readily accept" the bad business practices. Nor would I do business with dealers that pull bait/switch and other BS tactics. I didn't make an excuse. It is an unfortunate reality of this type of business and life for that matter.

If you don't understand how you are part of the problem, explaining it to you won't do any good. Some people just like to complain about everything and forums are a magnet for those people unfortunately.

Im pretty sure you cant explain it but nice attempt. I read what you typed perhaps you have not explained your self adequately. And some people make excuses for everything and the forum attracts those as well.

 

[Minn19]

Im pretty sure you cant explain it but nice attempt. I read what you typed perhaps you have not explained your self adequately. And some people make excuses for everything and the forum attracts those as well.

It's easy to explain, but you won't care and just keep bitching about stuff you can't control.

Demand for these cars is high leading to ADMs and shady tactics. You complain about all of this and even state it hurts Ford sales etc etc. But, what do you do? Search high and low for a GT350, which not only goes against everything you say, but also drives demand for the car. Every call a dealer gets from a person like you tells them that demand is still high for this car so they sit on them until somebody pulls the trigger. When inquiries from people like you, me and others drop off, the ADMs will disappear because the demand has dropped.

You are the one making excuses because you can't handle the reality of the situation.

 

[firestarter2]

Sigh so me buying a car with no ADM but "calling" around about them causes ADM? gotcha.

It's easy to explain, but you won't care and just keep bitching about stuff you can't control.

Demand for these cars is high leading to ADMs and shady tactics. You complain about all of this and even state it hurts Ford sales etc etc. But, what do you do? Search high and low for a GT350, which not only goes against everything you say, but also drives demand for the car. Every call a dealer gets from a person like you tells them that demand is still high for this car so they sit on them until somebody pulls the trigger. When inquiries from people like you, me and others drop off, the ADMs will disappear because the demand has dropped.

You are the one making excuses because you can't handle the reality of the situation.

 

[Minn19]

Sigh so me buying a car with no ADM but "calling" around about them causes ADM? gotcha.

See, I knew you wouldn't accept it. Yes, you are driving demand. You said it yourself that you've called tons of dealerships about it. Every call they get tells them demand is still there for these cars and they just need to hold a out for the person willing to pay ADM. Most of the time it has worked for them.

You also go on and on about how Ford shouldn't let this happen and dealers are terrible in so many ways. But, yet you continue to go against everything you are preaching about to buy a GT350, which, as you know is a Ford. So yes, you are indirectly supporting the whole system you hate.

 

[Dtmaso]

I ordered a 2017 at MSRP (which at this point I have serious suspicions the dealer may try to renege on)

I'm suspicious of the same with my order. Just to easy to pull at the last moment.

 

[firestarter2]

It does not make sense. Calls dont drive demand sales do. If you get 100s of calls and no none is interested because of the price you want it doesn't effect demand. Have dealers moved cars with ADM sure dealers have also sat on cars for months waiting for someone who will pay it.

I went to a dealer who I believe is not shady that is what a consumer should do instead of making excuses!!

I did not pay ADM I did not deal with a shady dealer!!! If my dealer reneges on my order when it comes in I will not buy the car. I am DOING exactly what Im preaching.

See, I knew you wouldn't accept it. Yes, you are driving demand. You said it yourself that you've called tons of dealerships about it. Every call they get tells them demand is still there for these cars and they just need to hold a out for the person willing to pay ADM. Most of the time it has worked for them.

You also go on and on about how Ford shouldn't let this happen and dealers are terrible in so many ways. But, yet you continue to go against everything you are preaching about to buy a GT350, which, as you know is a Ford. So yes, you are indirectly supporting the whole system you hate.

 

[PP0001]

It does not make sense. Calls dont drive demand sales do. If you get 100s of calls and no none is interested because of the price you want it doesn't effect demand. Have dealers moved cars with ADM sure dealers have also sat on cars for months waiting for someone who will pay it.

I went to a dealer who I believe is not shady that is what a consumer should do instead of making excuses!!

I did not pay ADM I did not deal with a shady dealer!!! If my dealer reneges on my order when it comes in I will not buy the car. I am DOING exactly what Im preaching.

How can your dealership renege on the order assuming you have everything in writing?

You and others on here that are concerned about your orders being pulled at the last minute or reneged on you do have everything in writing, right?

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