Tail lights could we modify to US spec?

[ssb]

I was following an A7 sportback the other night when I noticed it has sequential taillights.

It would appear that sequential taillights CAN be legal here... so maybe nobody would even notice.

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[hao_xuee]

I was following an A7 sportback the other night when I noticed it has sequential taillights.

It would appear that sequential taillights CAN be legal here... so maybe nobody would even notice.

Audi call it dynamic indicator , new Q7 A8 R8 and TT also fitted . The difference is Mustang's taillight as are in 3 pieces each side


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[Azairious]

the problem is not the sequential tail lights, it is the non-constant brake light. if the inside bar stayed on then it wouldn't be a concern at all. the ADR's say that a brake light must remain on when the brakes are on.

 

[quick duck]

that DRL setup cant be used here either.

 

[Aussie Mate]

that DRL setup cant be used here either.

Why do you state this?
why wouldn't the standard DRL be legal in Aust?

 

[quick duck]

I never said the standard DRL, I was referring to 'that setup' the one being advertised by carniggia.

 

[Azairious]

why is that DRL not legal in aus, from what i can gather from the ADR's as it is enclosed and in an enclosure with the standard headlights which is type-tested for it, it is more than suitable, if it is a separate LED bar that is not OEM or not incorporated into the headlight surround then it is not legal. if anything we are going to get picked up more because cops will think we're driving with fog lights on, which not allowed unless it is adverse weather conditions.

ADR 76/00 is the standard for DRL's BTW in case anyone wants to educate themselves.

 

[quick duck]

The ADR states, the lights used for DRL must be off when normal lights are operating.

 

[Azairious]

The ADR states, the lights used for DRL must be off when normal lights are operating.

Where does it say that? that used to be the case but as of ammendment dated July 2015, it is as follows:

6.19. Day-time running lamp (Regulation No. 87)[14]

6.19.1. Presence

Mandatory on motor vehicles. Prohibited on trailers.

6.19.2. Number

Two.

6.19.3. Arrangement

No special requirement.

6.19.4. Position

6.19.4.1. In width: the distance between the inner edges of the apparent surfaces in the direction of the reference axes shall not be less than 600 mm.

This distance may be reduced to 400 mm where the overall width of the vehicle is less than 1,300 mm.

6.19.4.2. In height: above the ground not less than 250 mm nor more than 1,500 mm.

6.19.4.3. In length: at the front of the vehicle. This requirement shall be deemed to be satisfied if the light emitted does not cause discomfort to the driver either directly or indirectly through the devices for indirect vision and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle.

6.19.5. Geometric visibility

Horizontal: outwards 20° and inwards 20°.

Vertical: upwards 10° and downwards 10°.

6.19.6. Orientation

Towards the front.

6.19.7. Electrical connections

6.19.7.1. The daytime running lamps shall be switched ON automatically when the device which starts and/or stops the engine (propulsion system) is set in a position which makes it possible for the engine (propulsion system) to operate. However, the daytime running lamps may remain OFF while the following conditions exist:

6.19.7.1.1. The automatic transmission control is in the park position; or

6.19.7.1.2. The parking brake is in the applied position; or

6.19.7.1.3. Prior to the vehicle being set in motion for the first time after each manual activation of the propulsion system.

6.19.7.2. The daytime running lamps may be switched OFF manually when the vehicle speed does not exceed 10 km/h provided they switch ON automatically when the vehicle speed exceeds 10 km/h or when the vehicle has travelled more than 100 m and they remain ON until deliberately switched off again.

6.19.7.3. The daytime running lamp shall switch OFF automatically when the device which starts and/or stops the engine (propulsion system) is set in a position which makes it impossible for the engine (propulsion system) to operate or the front fog lamps or headlamps are switched ON, except when the latter are used to give intermittent luminous warnings at short intervals.[15]

6.19.7.4. The lamps referred to in paragraph 5.11. may be switched ON when the daytime running lamps are switched ON, except if daytime running lamps are operating according to paragraph 6.2.7.6.2., where at least the rear position lamps shall be activated.

6.19.7.5. If the distance between the front direction-indicator lamp and the daytime running lamp is equal or less than 40 mm, the electrical connections of the daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle may be such that either:

(a) It is switched OFF; or

(b) Its luminous intensity is reduced during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of a front direction-indicator lamp.

6.19.7.6. If a direction-indicator lamp is reciprocally incorporated with a daytime running lamp, the electrical connections of the daytime running lamp on the relevant side of the vehicle shall be such that the daytime running lamp is switched OFF during the entire period (both ON and OFF cycle) of activation of the direction-indicator lamp.

6.19.8. Tell-tale

Closed-circuit tell-tale optional.

6.19.9. Other prescriptions

No prescription.

(please not the keyword is "shall" which is not a mandatory ruling.

 

[hao_xuee]

DRL is 100% legal in Australia ... Seen mustang Motorsport's RHD us spec car . They built 2 us spec mustang both passed ADR with US version DRL


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[GAFA]

Where does it say that? that used to be the case but as of ammendment dated July 2015, it is as follows:



(please not the keyword is "shall" which is not a mandatory ruling.

I'm in the aviation sector and if the would "shall" is included in a manual etc than it's a mandatory requirement. If the word "should" is used than it's optional (however good practice is to comply)

 

[quick duck]

DRL is 100% legal in Australia ... Seen mustang Motorsport's RHD us spec car . They built 2 us spec mustang both passed ADR with US version DRL

No one is saying DRL is illegal.

Where does it say that? that used to be the case but as of ammendment dated July 2015, it is as follows:

(please not the keyword is "shall" which is not a mandatory ruling.

I dont understand why you asked where it says that, then actually point out the keyword "shall" that appears in 6.19.7.3.

Yes, it means it they must turn off, just someone wanted to use a fancy word. Moot point though, as the same thing is reflected in states vehicle safety regulations, except they say 'must'

 

[Azairious]

Sigh, Do you deal with SAI regulations for any form of your work? the word "SHALL" does not mean "MUST". SAI use the term "PROHIBITED" for this purpose.

Listen mate, you can do what ever the hell you want with your car, but if you dont know dont throw out false information, i seem to recall somebody mentioning upgrading the carbs on their cars. a simple headlight swap is fine and would pass ADR scrutineering no problems as per the mustang motorsport one.

 

[StormR]

ok the sequential tail lights have a lighting control module FR3Z-13C788-B which grabs the plug they plug into the Euro spec tail lights and does some electronic trickery to output the signals to the wiring harness on the USDM lights.

if you want to do the conversion it is a matter of buying the USDM parts

FR3Z-13C788-B - control module with groups. - $52.90
FR3Z-13412-A - wiring harness - $25.62
FR3Z-13404-A - RHS tail light assembly - $610.20
FR3Z-13405-A - LHS tail light assembly - $610.20

please keep in mind this is information from flint Rock plant, i have conveniently made facebook friends with someone who works there and they compared some of the parts between the specs. and those prices are USD.

the remote start system is installed in all of our cars, it just seems like it is disabled in the software and we dont get the fob to do it. if you programmed a fob from the states to ours and swapped the transmitter to work on our freq it would work if enabled in the software... so yeah i dont think thats worth the hassle.

Is there a mapping showing where the control module is located?

Having trouble understanding where this control module would sit.....In the rear boot?

 

[Azairious]

https://secure.revolutionparts.com/levittown-ford/ford/mustang/fr3z13c788b/2015-year/gt-premium-trim/5-0l-v8-gas-engine/electrical-cat/electrical-components-scat/?part_name=control-module

thats the tail light control module,

https://secure.revolutionparts.com/levittown-ford/ford/mustang/fr3z13412a/2015-year/gt-premium-trim/5-0l-v8-gas-engine/electrical-cat/tail-lamps-scat/?part_name=wire-harness

that is the harness for the rear lights so as you can see it has an odd number of connectors, if that goes to the top stop light or the control module... well thats anybodies guess, so it could go somewhere under the dash and run a loom from that to the rear loom or it could mount at the back and just have a simple in-out circuit for each light with something like a PWM circuit run by a 555 timer for each connector on the loom.

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