Supercharger without custom tune

[4N6DOC]

Been reading on this site a lot and most people seem to be going with custom tuning when they supercharge. Figured I'd start a discussion thread for those interested in supercharging but wanting to have the powertrain warranty that is available with many superchargers. Also, would love to hear from those that are running superchargers without a custom tune, what brand, any issues, etc.

Looking at some of the options out there they all seem to be 3/36K from "original in service date" and all need to be installed by a Ford Dealer or ASE mechanic.
Roush Stage 1 free - covers $7,500
Procharger (unsure if available for HO only, or also Stage II) costs $795 - covers $7500
Edelbrock E Force stage 1 free - covers $16,500

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[TripleB]

warranty, lol

 

[Nomadic]

warranty, lol

Exactly, even if you get the warranty from the S/C vendor good luck trying to get any of the powertrain covered. They'll cover the supercharger if something breaks on it (not installed wrong). If you're worried about anything warranty wise, keep the car stock. I had a stock tune on my previous GT Whipple S2. No issues at all.

 

[4N6DOC]

Exactly, even if you get the warranty from the S/C vendor good luck trying to get any of the powertrain covered. They'll cover the supercharger if something breaks on it (not installed wrong). If you're worried about anything warranty wise, keep the car stock. I had a stock tune on my previous GT Whipple S2. No issues at all.

The warranties I mention are Powertrain warranties. For example from Edelbrock's website "engine components are covered to a maximum of $12,500, transmission components are covered to a maximum of $2,500, and rear axle components are covered to a maximum of $1,500".

Are you saying these companies won't stand by these warranties?

 

[Zinc03svt]

Good point. I mean in general it is an never ending race to see who makes the most power. In reality a good 650-700 whp is plenty for street car fun. Everyone is obsessed in making 1000-1200 now. I would prefer to have something giving a larger mechanical failure safety range and setup more for longevity versus max power. Being worried that I’m possibly 3-5 pulls away from grenading an engine is just unneeded stress imo. Warranty of some type offered for forced induction is ok in my book.

 

[Mustang_Lou]

I would prefer to have something giving a larger mechanical failure safety range and setup more for longevity versus max power. Being worried that I’m possibly 3-5 pulls away from grenading an engine is just unneeded stress imo. Warranty of some type offered for forced induction is ok in my book.

Well said!!

 

[beefcake]

if your really want warranty , roush offers the best warranty, especially on the 18's. there tune is a little more conservative, but still a nice kit.

all of the brands offer a nice package, really comes down to what ya want, feel free to give me a ring and we can discuss your wants, needs, goals

 

[PC 2015]

Good point. I mean in general it is an never ending race to see who makes the most power. In reality a good 650-700 whp is plenty for street car fun. Everyone is obsessed in making 1000-1200 now. I would prefer to have something giving a larger mechanical failure safety range and setup more for longevity versus max power. Being worried that I’m possibly 3-5 pulls away from grenading an engine is just unneeded stress imo. Warranty of some type offered for forced induction is ok in my book.

I hear ya...I just order a stage 2 whipple complete kit off beefcake the other day for my 19 pp1 A10...I'm using the whipple tune. The only reason I would change to a custom tune would be if there are drivability issues. IMO 650 to 700whp is all you need on the street and it Should run for a very very long time.

 

[Zinc03svt]

if your really want warranty , roush offers the best warranty, especially on the 18's. there tune is a little more conservative, but still a nice kit.

all of the brands offer a nice package, really comes down to what ya want, feel free to give me a ring and we can discuss your wants, needs, goals

How much power are 18 plus w/ Roush warranty making wheel?

 

[beefcake]

typically 580 to 630

 

[lodans]

I have had a Kenne Bell 2.8 liquid cooled SC on for 2 years now with the stock tune (12,000 miles total of 24k on the car). I have had zero issues with it. It puts down around 641 to the wheels and is plenty enough to get you into trouble. I did the install my self in the garage and was fairly simple. There is a 1 year warranty on the SC only with Kenne Bell, but they put the research in to make sure the tune is conservative and will not grenade the engine.Like others have said if you are worried about a warranty then keep it stock or wait for the new GT500.

 

[808muscle]

2016 with a whipple stage two running the stock whipple tune. I have zero complaints. Whipple tune makes plenty of power for the street, much more than any summer tire can handle. My car is an auto so I use the paddle shifters all the time. Makes it easier to apply the power to the tires and minimize wheel spin. Kit has been on the car for a year now. I really could care less about more more more power....I have no desires to run 9s...track would kick me out after one run anyway. Im plenty happy with the stage two setup and see no need to pay for an additional tune.

 

[markmurfie]

2016 with a whipple stage two running the stock whipple tune. I have zero complaints. Whipple tune makes plenty of power for the street, much more than any summer tire can handle. My car is an auto so I use the paddle shifters all the time. Makes it easier to apply the power to the tires and minimize wheel spin. Kit has been on the car for a year now. I really could care less about more more more power....I have no desires to run 9s...track would kick me out after one run anyway. Im plenty happy with the stage two setup and see no need to pay for an additional tune.

You would need to ship your car off island to get to a track any way, yours is closed til next year. Whipple's calibration is a lot more fun on a twisty mountain road with an auto than after market tunes made for the drag strip anyway. Paddle functionality suffers for improved shifts.

 

[808muscle]

You dont have to remind me our track is closed for renovations all year...lol I'm a racing junkie and never miss an event here. I have a separate bracket car to race with. My 16 is just my grocery getter.

 

[cchvyd28]

Imo if you are that worried about breaking stuff and having a warranty then 600+whp and forced induction isn't right for you. You gotta pay to play, things happen and making that kind of power you are going to find weak points, stuff will break (unless you upgrade ahead of time). If you are going to be worried that something will break everytime you drive it you won't really enjoy it. Also I can't imagine using any of these said warranties is exactly easy or convenient , and after all of the frustration probably less stressful to just fix it and move on.

I can tell you that as good as any of the canned tunes are, a custom tune makes the car drive 10 times better. I thought the whipple tune was on point until I went with a PBD tune, worlds different, drives so much nicer, smoother.

I made the typical mistake that most people do, bought the whipple stage 1 kit for $7300, drove it for 5 months, wanted more, bought the stage 2 injectors, 132mm tb, stage 2 tune and oversized heat exchanger, another $1300. Drove it for 5 months, wanted more, $1200 later went with a PBD tune and tuner, and a fuel pump voltage booster. So all in I have $9600 into my supercharger that I could have had slightly over 8k into if I did it all the first time.

Buy once cry once.

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