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[shogun32]

If I had the power, I would not excuse debt forgiveness.... you knew what you were buying when you signed on the dotted line.

except nobody knows the future and even if they had 3 months of reserves (RARE!!) who could have guessed in late 2019 their job would be forcibly taken from them over a virus? We have bankruptcy laws for damn good reason.

The society survived from the Plymouth landing until 1964 WITHOUT welfare.

society as existed for a few thousand years before that without gov't run welfare. It was called private charity. That's where it should have stayed and must return.

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[dpAtlanta]

Dave, you have some reading to do. It started long before 1964. Find someone who lived through the Great Depression and you will have a much better understanding of what public assistance was all about.

https://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rig...a-how-welfare-began-in-the-united-states.html

Of course what it was and what it is now are just a little different.

It is still hand-outs my friend, regardless when which ever party decided to start providing it. Hand-outs provide power leverage for those who promise things/favors/gifts to those that want free stuff.

 

[FreePenguin]

It is still hand-outs my friend, regardless when which ever party decided to start providing it. Hand-outs provide power leverage for those who promise things/favors/gifts to those that want free stuff.

There’s really no incentive to be a contributing human being when you can live comfortably off all the programs and soon to be universal income. Reparations etc... makes me so mad.

 

[jtmat]

There’s really no incentive to be a contributing human being when you can live comfortably off all the programs and soon to be universal income. Reparations etc... makes me so mad.

Reparations have nothing to do with getting anything for "free". No one has discussed "universal income".

Your comments get to the reason why we can't have decent conversations on this forum. Your comments are obviously politically based. That in and of itself is fine... gets tiring though....

If I had your understanding, I'd be mad too. Your lack of basic research is astounding.

 

[Bikeman315]

It is still hand-outs my friend, regardless when which ever party decided to start providing it. Hand-outs provide power leverage for those who promise things/favors/gifts to those that want free stuff.

This has nothing to do with politics. If the Great Depression happened today our society would have totally collapsed. No jobs, no food, no money. Nothing. 2020 would have been considered a walk in the park. These weren’t handouts, they saved America at the time. Again, that was then. But it is where and when it all started.

 

[FreePenguin]

Reparations have nothing to do with getting anything for "free". No one has discussed "universal income".

Your comments get to the reason why we can't have decent conversations on this forum. Your comments are obviously politically based. That in and of itself is fine... gets tiring though....

If I had your understanding, I'd be mad too. Your lack of basic research is astounding.

It’s been mentioned in this thread. I’m only bringing up digusting things being brought forward as acceptable, just like student debt being dismissed, and unemployment boost and welfare yet don’t pay the bills.

my understanding is fine, people have money, people don’t spend it on their prioirities and trying to make others Bail them out out of jail free.

no sir. Not today, Atleast I hope it’s all tossed out via courts and everyone’s held accountable

I pull loans and run credit cards up, Isave money and pay them off respectfully.

 

[jtmat]

This has nothing to do with politics. If the Great Depression happened today our society would have totally collapsed. No jobs, no food, no money. Nothing. 2020 would have been considered a walk in the park. These weren’t handouts, they saved America at the time. Again, that was then. But it is where and when it all started.

The problem is you have some people who believe "being poor" is the best thing on earth. Like the poor get $10,000 payments from the gov't, drive nice cars, eat the best food, live for free, etc.

They don't know the reality of being poor...

 

[Bikeman315]

The problem is you have some people who believe "being poor" is the best thing on earth. Like the poor get $10,000 payments from the gov't, drive nice cars, eat the best food, live for free, etc.

They don't know the reality of being poor...

So true. I’m afraid that a number of people forget what this country was built on. Those who have helping those who don’t.

 

[dpAtlanta]

How did the pilgrims survive without welfare?

 

[dpAtlanta]

As said by other posters, you don't know basic history. Deciding on a life of ignorance for the sake of political ideology is not a path.

I didn’t think we were allowed to say the ”p” word any more?

 

[jtmat]

I didn’t think we were allowed to say the ”p” word any more?

Here you go:


To answer your question... half of them died in the first winter and of 18 married women, only three survived.

Then they found "welfare" by way of the American Indians...

You don't know all of this????

In other words, EVERYONE may find they need help once in a lifetime. Sure, some may need more/longer help than others (disabled, mental issues, etc...). We are Americans and we don't turn our backs on other Americans. Period.

 

[FreePenguin]

Here you go:


To answer your question... half of them died in the first winter and of 18 married women, only three survived.

Then they found "welfare" by way of the American Indians...

You don't know all of this????

In other words, EVERYONE may find they need help once in a lifetime. Sure, some may need more/longer help than others (disabled, mental issues, etc...). We are Americans and we don't turn our backs on other Americans. Period.

Needs to be 1000x more stringent, they should not be comfortable. Welfare should be a little less than surviveable. Honestly they should not support someone not having a job. End of story. A supplement to a low wage. Without the wage shouldn’t be able to make it

 

[jtmat]

Needs to be 1000x more stringent, they should not be comfortable. Welfare should be a little less than surviveable. Honestly they should not support someone not having a job. End of story.

You live in an odd reality... not even sure how you got there with my post to someone else. No facts... just some strange "1000x"... like that should mean something.

All of your posts remind me of:

 

[FreePenguin]

You live in an odd reality... not even sure how you got there with my post to someone else. No facts... just some strange "1000x"... like that should mean something.

All of your posts remind me of:

I don’t need facts. The facts are people are living completely Cush on the system. I know people on it, hell half of them sell their food stamps because they don’t need them.
1st of month hits and people have nothing but steak and lobster tails swiping ebt. I can’t even afford that food so why should someone be able to buy it on their food stamp card paid by you and me?

I am sour because I cannot stand the freeloading and those who support those who don’t work yet live just fine.

what’s the point in working?

lady brags about being on welfare abusing it, talks about she supports teaching kids on using it etc..

Let me be 100% clear. I am extremely sour about people getting benefits without contributing. Oh man it irks me. I would strip everything to the core. You can be on welfare, but it won’t be liveable. You’d have to have a job, whether it’s a crappy min wage or trash picker upper around city. Some kind of contribution


If you watch the video, and say it’s ok. Then you should be ashamed. The abuse of the system is bad. Nothing should be free. Not college nor healthcare nor income, not housing. None of that should be a right just for being born here.

it should be earned and paid for.Affordable is fine, but not free

 

[jtmat]

I don’t need facts.

You do. You don't have an argument without facts. Your comments come off as half-baked....

The facts are people are living completely Cush on the system. I know people on it, hell half of them sell their food stamps because they don’t need them.
1st of month hits and people have nothing but steak and lobster tails swiping ebt. I can’t even afford that food so why should someone be able to buy it on their food stamp card paid by you and me?

I don't doubt you... but I do doubt they are living as good as you think. You don't know their situation. You don't have facts only your assumptions which is viewed through a political lens, as you admitted earlier in this thread.

Maybe you are jealous because you think people are doing better than you?

You complain a lot but not take action to improve your own situation. An observation based on your comments. Always about what others should be doing!

what’s the point in working?

Try welfare and being poor for a year and report back about how great it is....

If you watch the video, and say it’s ok. Then you should be ashamed. The abuse of the system is bad. Nothing should be free. Not college nor healthcare nor income, not housing. None of that should be a right just for being born here.

Okay, you only said that 1000 times... what is your point? Where are your facts? How many are abusing the system?

I remember this same argument back when (think the 80s)... said they were going to stop all those payments because of those "urban people". Then all the people who are "not urban" stood up and of course the argument went away.

That is why facts are important.

You need to understand exactly what you are saying and what you want to see happen. So far you just talk a lot but don't say anything useful.

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