Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[CJJon]

Really? All he seems to do is ridicule people with facts that disagree with his. Then instead of supplying supporting "facts" he resorts to name calling or just saying the facts in question are nonsense.

So I would like to see one of his positions that you, or anyone can find truthful.

No saying the sky is blue won't cut it. Everyone knows the sky is black, it is the refraction of light in our atmosphere that causes it to look blue.

Why do the "Blue ridge mountains" look blue? Are they blue?

Sorry I generally agree with you and think you are an informed person who can think for himself.

here you go https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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[CJJon]

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[CJJon]

Now show me the evidence against.

 

[K4fxd]

Then why do the ice cores taken in the 1970's show different?

 

[CJJon]

Then why do the ice cores taken in the 1970's show different?

Evidence?

 

[K4fxd]

Now show me the evidence against.

Since you put that together so quick I think you are part of a boiler room

It will take some time for me to wade through it.

On an observational note. I can proove water vapor is the biggest contributor of warming. Any overcast night is warmer than any clear night.

 

[CJJon]

Indeed. Why not post the source?

Another question, how is the reading of my sources coming? What do you take exception to? (two questions)

 

[CJJon]

Since you put that together so quick I think you are part of a boiler room

It will take some time for me to wade through it.

On an observational note. I can proove water vapor is the biggest contributor of warming. Any overcast night is warmer than any clear night.

Round and round you go.

 

[Burkey]

The problem here is that you often fail to cite any evidence and then when you do, you utterly fuck it u with your ignorance and inability to ask questions...

If I recall correctly, you were telling us that the planet is something like 10,000 years old. Please correct me if I’m misrepresenting your position and provide a better answer.

Once that’s done, we can talk about emissions from volcanoes.

 

[K4fxd]

Evidence?

Unfortunately I do not have my weekly reader from 8th grade.

The NOAA and NASA articles that cited this are no longer accessable. Try reading the Novel, State of Fear. It had all the relevant references.

 

[CJJon]

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[K4fxd]

That is another tactic from the boiler room people. " If you can't convince them shut them down"

 

[CJJon]

That is another tactic from the boiler room people. " If you can't convince them shut them down"

Huh?

 

[sk47]

Hello; For what it is worth I did use the scientific method very often during my teaching career. I do think the proper use of the scientific method is a proper way to investigate. For some reason my post about this was not acceptable some days ago and I was attacked. Apparently my description of the scientific method did not suit the forum critics.

Some things can be directly studied and lend themselves to a proper testing with a well setup experimental technique. Other things cannot be tested directly, such as things of the mind. So the scientific method can be used in some areas and not in others.

Another way to get information is to do things such as take drill cores from old ice. The idea is the air pocket have trapped clues to the climate in the tiny amounts of old air in the ice. There can also be bits of pollen and dust and other such things. These bits of evidence infer what the climate was like in a general way. Goes back to my example of significant numbers in a past post.
I can set up a detailed experiment today about current conditions with the proper standards and controls. I can get outcomes to within very tight units of measure. Old ice cores can have too many uncontroled variables to be quite so accurate. Not without merit for sure, but not within the tight restrictions of a proper experiment.

I have followed astronomy since sometime around 1959. Over the decades the literature has changed, usually when some new or more powerful instrument comes along. Now we have robots on other planets or flying by. I was so very intrigued with the voyager space craft. So many theories had to be revised. The 12 years + wait was worth it.

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