Roush Performance Packs 2015-2016

[Concrete GT]

I would imagine the tune with air filter is different as it will be changed to accommodate the different maf tubing size on the Roush CAI.

Good question as I'm seriously thinking of going with the Steeda cia which comes with a restrictor tube. If I got this tune only would I have to run with the restrictor tube in? If I took it out would it be the same size as the Rousch cai without it's restrictor tube?
Also I'm assuming the final 4HP they advertise comes from the strait thru design of the mufflers on the axleback. I already have the FRPP Touring catback with x pipe. I wonder if I could get closer to 40 additional HP over stock going with the tune, the Steeda cai and my existing catback system? I also run strictly 93 octane and I know Rousch said there's no difference between 91 but I'd be willing to bet there would be at least an additional 3-5 HP.

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[Gibbo205]

Good question as I'm seriously thinking of going with the Steeda cia which comes with a restrictor tube. If I got this tune only would I have to run with the restrictor tube in? If I took it out would it be the same size as the Rousch cai without it's restrictor tube?
Also I'm assuming the final 4HP they advertise comes from the strait thru design of the mufflers on the axleback. I already have the FRPP Touring catback with x pipe. I wonder if I could get closer to 40 additional HP over stock going with the tune, the Steeda cai and my existing catback system? I also run strictly 93 octane and I know Rousch said there's no difference between 91 but I'd be willing to bet there would be at least an additional 3-5 HP.

Hard to say, maybe we'd be just better off going with a Ken Bjonnes tune as he is pretty legendary in Mustang tuning and I know he is conservative and safe with his tunes so is certainly a safe bet.

The nice thing about the Roush tune is it is warranty and is done by Ford/Roush so no chances would of being taken regarding engine/trans safety and the tune probably has quite a lot of self learning programmed in to cope with different octane fuels and different catback exhaust setups. What the tune won't be able to adjust for is different maf tube diameter as the tune needs those parameters hard coding in.

 

[mikeyjobu]

So am I reading the dyno graph right -- this tune bumps up the fuel cutoff RPM slightly?

 

[SpeedLu]

So am I reading the dyno graph right -- this tune bumps up the fuel cutoff RPM slightly?

Yes

 

[Blk2015GT]

The nice thing about the Roush tune is it is warranty and is done by Ford/Roush so no chances would of being taken regarding engine/trans safety and the tune probably has quite a lot of self learning programmed in to cope with different octane fuels and different catback exhaust setups. What the tune won't be able to adjust for is different maf tube diameter as the tune needs those parameters hard coding in.

To clarify it's warrantied IF you spend another $495 on top of the $800; plus need to have a dealership or ASE certified mechanic install it, so install cost.

You're talking at least $1,400 for 20hp CAI/tune warrantied if you can find a mechanic who will only charge you $100. Dealership will charge you $200-300 based on the # of hours in their shop book.

It's a LOT of money, nearly double, to cover you up to 3yr/36k miles from the purchase date of the car. It only really makes sense if your car is relatively new, since 1/1/16 or something like that, where its basically covering you completely.

If you've had it since 2014-2015 it just makes no sense that warranty scheme they have as you could be halfway through that period or more (depending on mileage) but STILL paying the same price- ie. say you got your car Feb 2015 and have 15k miles; you only have 2 years or 21k miles left for the same $495.

For a $8k supercharger, ok 5-6% of the parts cost that's reasonable, but for a $800 tune/CAI at 62% the part cost? No way. If they were THAT confident the tune (jointly made by Ford/FRRP/Roush) wont mess up your car then the warranty should be $100 and prorated depending how much of the 3/36k is left on your car.

I understand these are Ford's rules with warranties and not Roush or FRRP, but they're flat out stupid and the pricing scheme is stupid. It shouldn't cost the same to warranty a tune as a supercharger, that's a nuts proposition. Whether it CAN cause the same engine damage or repair cost is irrelevant; the supercharger (that is tuned too so you have lots of potential failure points and pushing the engine a LOT harder than a canned tune) clearly by a mile is the riskier of the 2 by far.

 

[mikeyjobu]

Waiiting on the Ford Performance tune to see if that will save the day. I can't see doing $1400 for 20HP.

 

[Concrete GT]

To clarify it's warrantied IF you spend another $495 on top of the $800; plus need to have a dealership or ASE certified mechanic install it, so install cost.

You're talking at least $1,400 for 20hp CAI/tune warrantied if you can find a mechanic who will only charge you $100. Dealership will charge you $200-300 based on the # of hours in their shop book.

It's a LOT of money, nearly double, to cover you up to 3yr/36k miles from the purchase date of the car. It only really makes sense if your car is relatively new, since 1/1/16 or something like that, where its basically covering you completely.

If you've had it since 2014-2015 it just makes no sense that warranty scheme they have as you could be halfway through that period or more (depending on mileage) but STILL paying the same price- ie. say you got your car Feb 2015 and have 15k miles; you only have 2 years or 21k miles left for the same $495.

For a $8k supercharger, ok 5-6% of the parts cost that's reasonable, but for a $800 tune/CAI at 62% the part cost? No way. If they were THAT confident the tune (jointly made by Ford/FRRP/Roush) wont mess up your car then the warranty should be $100 and prorated depending how much of the 3/36k is left on your car.

I understand these are Ford's rules with warranties and not Roush or FRRP, but they're flat out stupid and the pricing scheme is stupid. It shouldn't cost the same to warranty a tune as a supercharger, that's a nuts proposition. Whether it CAN cause the same engine damage or repair cost is irrelevant; the supercharger (that is tuned too so you have lots of potential failure points and pushing the engine a LOT harder than a canned tune) clearly by a mile is the riskier of the 2 by far.

What he said....Guess I'll just get Steeda cai for now and add a tune later...:(

 

[mikeyjobu]

Or we can set that money aside for a replacement short block we won't likely need... It even looks like the long block for our cars is available from LMR for $6900 -- lots of money, but justified. Here's the other thing: The Aluminator blocks are available and have a 2/24k warranty like the others -- what tune is prescribed for those? Oh wait... there isn't one... And Ford is still putting it's neck out there. I haven't combed through the weasel-words, but it seems like Ford could allow a short list of partner-provided tunes to go on without any fuss -- too bad that hasn't happened.

 

[mikeyjobu]

Another thought: If not getting the Roush warranty -- it then being a forgone conclusion you've voided your warranty -- why bother getting a shop to flash it? It seems like DIY is the only fair, reasonable approach. I'd like a safe, warranty-friendly tune, but the more I think about this one, the more I think it's total BS.

 

[SpeedLu]

To clarify it's warrantied IF you spend another $495 on top of the $800; plus need to have a dealership or ASE certified mechanic install it, so install cost.

You're talking at least $1,400 for 20hp CAI/tune warrantied if you can find a mechanic who will only charge you $100. Dealership will charge you $200-300 based on the # of hours in their shop book.

It's a LOT of money, nearly double, to cover you up to 3yr/36k miles from the purchase date of the car. It only really makes sense if your car is relatively new, since 1/1/16 or something like that, where its basically covering you completely.

If you've had it since 2014-2015 it just makes no sense that warranty scheme they have as you could be halfway through that period or more (depending on mileage) but STILL paying the same price- ie. say you got your car Feb 2015 and have 15k miles; you only have 2 years or 21k miles left for the same $495.

For a $8k supercharger, ok 5-6% of the parts cost that's reasonable, but for a $800 tune/CAI at 62% the part cost? No way. If they were THAT confident the tune (jointly made by Ford/FRRP/Roush) wont mess up your car then the warranty should be $100 and prorated depending how much of the 3/36k is left on your car.

I understand these are Ford's rules with warranties and not Roush or FRRP, but they're flat out stupid and the pricing scheme is stupid. It shouldn't cost the same to warranty a tune as a supercharger, that's a nuts proposition. Whether it CAN cause the same engine damage or repair cost is irrelevant; the supercharger (that is tuned too so you have lots of potential failure points and pushing the engine a LOT harder than a canned tune) clearly by a mile is the riskier of the 2 by far.

It depends on the dealership. Mine doesn't even tell customers about the warranty because they don't consider it voided with the Roush tune.

 

[Concrete GT]

Another thought: If not getting the Roush warranty -- it then being a forgone conclusion you've voided your warranty -- why bother getting a shop to flash it? It seems like DIY is the only fair, reasonable approach. I'd like a safe, warranty-friendly tune, but the more I think about this one, the more I think it's total BS.

Agreed. I don't have any Rousch performance dealers near me so I take my car to the nearest Ford Dealership for service. Their decent at routine service but my advisor almost sh1T a brick even when I mentioned putting a catback exhaust on my car.

 

[Blk2015GT]

It depends on the dealership. Mine doesn't even tell customers about the warranty because they don't consider it voided with the Roush tune.

Problem is certain repairs these days REQUIRE Ford authorization up the chain; likely if it's a more expensive repair I believe but someone can chime in on that area. They will require an ECU data dump and not honor the Roush tune as its still "aftermarket" (which is why Roush sells the warranty).

So sure, you blow a head gasket lets say and it's a $50 part and labor it may not be questioned so heavily; but you bust a piston (like a few in the Issues/Warranty subsection here) and, yeh, Ford is going to want to know what happened and investigate a lot more before shelling out $5-10k to fix or replace your engine (Ford pays the dealership for warranty work remember) So it depends likely on the value of the repair and if they need Ford authorization for the work.

There is no way around that no matter what the dealership is telling people though. It's not the dealership's call to honor the Ford warranty, or at least not in all scenarios.

 

[Kyle@ROUSH]

Another thought: If not getting the Roush warranty -- it then being a forgone conclusion you've voided your warranty -- why bother getting a shop to flash it? It seems like DIY is the only fair, reasonable approach. I'd like a safe, warranty-friendly tune, but the more I think about this one, the more I think it's total BS.

Anybodies flash will void the warranty, heck even most of the ford stuff voids the ford warranty and then ford racing picks up the remainder. You cant expect them to warranty a car with a cal they didn't supply regardless of who it came from. Our warranty is from the in service date not the install date as to basically pick up where the Ford warranty left off for that remainder.

 

[mikeyjobu]

Anybodies flash will void the warranty, heck even most of the ford stuff voids the ford warranty and then ford racing picks up the remainder. You cant expect them to warranty a car with a cal they didn't supply regardless of who it came from. Our warranty is from the in service date not the install date as to basically pick up where the Ford warranty left off for that remainder.

I can't expect it, but it wouldn't be an unreasonable business to business agreement between Roush, Steeda, or Ford Performance. The gripe is paying the same dollar amount for a less impactful tune as a supercharger, while going from 5/60 to 3/36 on the powertrain.

 

[Concrete GT]

I can't expect it, but it wouldn't be an unreasonable business to business agreement between Roush, Steeda, or Ford Performance. The gripe is paying the same dollar amount for a less impactful tune as a supercharger, while going from 5/60 to 3/36 on the powertrain.

Exactly.....

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