Already proved you wrong....
The wheels aren't squared. The tires may be the same size but it's not a square setup. You can't...or maybe shouldn't be rotating front and back.
I was just stating a fact. I would prefer a true square setup. I rotate my current track tires all the time getting the most life out of them as possible. Since I currently use take off slicks I can even flip them on the wheel if need be.It wouldn't stop me from buying the car. My debate, if I get a new car at all, is PP2 or PP1 with 10 speed auto.
Only $1k for four 11" wide wheels??? Seems to me it'd be a waste of time chasing PP2-level performance with anything narrower.
Yep. https://lmr.com/item/SVE-177912/mustang-sve-r350-wheel-black-19x11-05-17
No, but making an assumption that Ford made decisions regarding the PP2 option based on fear that it might outperform a same model-year GT350 is unfounded. It's not based on any real knowledge or corporate insight. Until there is actual evidence that anyone at Ford feared cannibalizing GT350 sales with a PP2 package on the GT, it's just internet conjecture and not worth repeating. IMO, of course. If you have any verifiable information that might prove that it was an actual concern, please share.Oh ok. You don't agree so now we all must change our minds.
Haha all good man, just being snarky. That being said, there's literally no incentive for Ford to create a GT that can come close to the performance of the GT350 without taking sales away. That would be the worst business decision ever unless they were done producing GT350s... Which they are not.
I don't agree. The character of the 5.2, the unique body work and the name alone would supply the difference needed to bump the price up the 10-15k needed. Not to mentioned the associated resale value disparity vs a "normal" GT and as we will see the GT PP2 will follow the "normal" GT resale curve much more so than the GT350 curve.
You've proven nothing except that you don't really understand everything that is including in PP1 & PP2 cars. You left out tons and tons of items, and then completely ignored the labor to install them. It would cost 2-3 times the MSRP to create a PP2 car from a base GT, and that's just guessing on the low side.
Plus you get a better transmission and better brakes. The GT350 is still a worthwhile upgrade for sure.
If by "narrow casing" you are speaking about how tight the case is to the internal gears in the TR3160, than OK. But you can't lump that in so generally, as the MT82 is just as bad. Just as tight. Just as little fluid capacity. You cannot translate that to the TR6060, though. So, be careful with that blanket statement. In relation to the cooling fins, maybe Tremec never integrated them into their cases because their transmissions don't run as hot as the Getrag. Read that carefully. I'm not saying the TR3160 wont run hot, needing a cooler, especially on something that is revving to 8,000 RPM. I'm saying, same car, the difference being the transmission, don't be surprised if the Tremec doesn't run as hot as the Getrag. Why isn't the Getrag unit used in racing and the Tremecs are? Don't get me wrong, I like the Getrag, for a "sport" transmission. There is a good design intent there, but the execution isn't a "performance" transmission.
100%.
Your suggestion of a "homebrew PP3" involves spending $4500 on brakes, which doesn't even leave enough left over for wheels and tires, the MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTOR in a car's cornering ability.
This is exactly the point. You aren't going to get a well rounded, durable, highly capable car like the PP2 for $6500 in the aftermarket. The only reason to build from a base GT is if, like myself, you plan on blowing $5k on coilovers, $3k on lightweight wheels and slicks, $4500 on a Big Brake kit, full aero, etc.
No, we won't stop with it, because that's the only logical reason to neuter a car like this. The fact that they had to refresh the 2019 GT350 to "broaden the gap between the GT350 and PP2" is evidence of this. They don't want the PP2 to be stepping on the toes of their $15k profit, but they also don't want to continuously be embarrassed by GM
If you're buying a PP2 as a daily driver, you're buying it for the wrong reason. MPSC2s are just fine for occasional sunday drives and track days.
That's not the argument here. Of course you can throw slicks and an E85 tune on a base mustang and MAYBE turn 1 faster lap than a PP2. But the argument isn't about what would be faster, the argument is about what is the better bargain. I can guarantee you that a base GT won't last a full session, let alone a full lap, on slicks being pushed to its limits. The brakes are subpar, the hubs won't handle the crazy Gs from slicks, and you also have to remember, your car won't be street legal anymore, so now we're also talking about investing in a tow rig and a trailer. Suddenly, that $6500 for PP2 + $1000 for a diff cooler doesn't seem to sound all that bad
They absolutely aren't misplaced. It's not on GT350 suspension, its custom tailored. 50hp difference doesn't matter between these 2 cars because of how they make power... the GTs gearing benefit makes up for the HP difference, which leaves not much of an acceleration defecit. Hell, an automatic GT will run side by side with a GT350, what makes you think that the manual would be so significantly slower? And how is comparing 2 factory cars on factory tires a pointless argument? If you have to dump extra money into an already significantly more expensive car to be faster, you've already lost
