Road and Track Article : ADM's

[Norm Peterson]

But Ford could restrict allocations to dealerships based on how often and how much ADM-gouging was going on previously. Doesn't Dodge do this to some extent already?


Norm

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[robertwsimpson]

But Ford could restrict allocations to dealerships based on how often and how much ADM-gouging was going on previously. Doesn't Dodge do this to some extent already?


Norm

The only car that Ford cares about protecting (GT) is being protected. They're allowing the dealers to make a buck (when they can) on the rest of the lineup.


Like I said, things would be a lot different if every car went out the door at sticker price. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Lost]

"This is what I'm afraid will happen, because it's happened in the past: The dealers will misuse their additional-markup privileges to kill the market for the Focus RS and the standard non-R versions of the Shelby GT350. Then, after the market dries up, they will complain to Ford that the cars don't sell, which will give the bean counters additional ammunition to refuse requests for future fast-Ford projects. Before you know it, the closest thing you'll be able to get to a factory-build Ford sporting vehicle will be the tape-and-stripe packages that reigned supreme forty years ago in the Malaise Era."

Quoted for truth.

 

[barstowpo]

I bought a 2004 GTO under sticker at the time. In fact, I just got rid of it after the GT350 purchase. I had a much more positive feeling after my Pontiac purchase than I did after my GT350 experience. Even the trinkets and the track day from Ford does not make up for the poor dealer experience. The GT350 is a vastly superior car but unfortunately I can't say that about the dealer network.

 

[scrubber3]

I had a Pulse Red 2004 GTO. Got it for well under sticker in Oct 2004. It is the sole reason I will not ever have another red car as long as I live. I took the darn spoiler off of that car to make it look even slower. Didn't stop the attention from LEOs. Got more tickets than I cared to have. I would get pulled over for not using a turn signal while switching lanes in no traffic. I swear, the cops around these areas must have had a thing for cherry jellybeans or something...

 

[Norm Peterson]

The only car that Ford cares about protecting (GT) is being protected. They're allowing the dealers to make a buck (when they can) on the rest of the lineup.


Like I said, things would be a lot different if every car went out the door at sticker price. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Ford had over 2.5 million US sales in 2016. ADM on a tiny fraction of 1% of that number isn't even noise on a dealership's yearly balance sheet. Let alone being something that keeps any given dealership in business.

Do you think you'd ever get 33% off on any car, like what a $20k ADM amounts to adding on a $60k car?


Norm

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Ford had over 2.5 million US sales in 2016. ADM on a tiny fraction of 1% of that number isn't even noise on a dealership's yearly balance sheet. Let alone being something that keeps any given dealership in business.

Do you think you'd ever get 33% off on any car, like what a $20k ADM amounts to adding on a $60k car?


Norm

20K ADM on one car, vs them selling 20 F150's a year at 5-10+K discount. Not even close to being a balanced. Deals are found far more often than mark ups. Every single year you can buy a brand new F150 for 10-16K off up here. And they are still making money on every single one sold... lol

Edit: 20 F150's is a miniscule amount, hell even my dealer sells more at huge discounts than that LOL so probably multiply that by x10 for most larger dealers, and even more for the huge ones..

 

[ProblemHouston]

Went looking at Raptors and even they have ADM.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Went looking at Raptors and even they have ADM.

I would never pay above sticker for the Raptor or RS. Nothing about either of them that is unique enough that makes me think it is worth more. Plus they have said they would build as many raptors as people wanted to order so...

 

[firestarter2]

"This is what I'm afraid will happen, because it's happened in the past: The dealers will misuse their additional-markup privileges to kill the market for the Focus RS and the standard non-R versions of the Shelby GT350. Then, after the market dries up, they will complain to Ford that the cars don't sell, which will give the bean counters additional ammunition to refuse requests for future fast-Ford projects. Before you know it, the closest thing you'll be able to get to a factory-build Ford sporting vehicle will be the tape-and-stripe packages that reigned supreme forty years ago in the Malaise Era."

Quoted for truth.

This happens!!! so many people ask me about my car and I assumed I paid a crazy ADM, they didn't even bother looking!. Id not even look for a raptor or a RS after the BS I went through to get this.

And before people say supply and demand many of these cars sat on dealers lots for 6 months to eventually be sold at msrp

 

[Norm Peterson]

20K ADM on one car, vs them selling 20 F150's a year at 5-10+K discount. Not even close to being a balanced. Deals are found far more often than mark ups. Every single year you can buy a brand new F150 for 10-16K off up here. And they are still making money on every single one sold... lol

Edit: 20 F150's is a miniscule amount, hell even my dealer sells more at huge discounts than that LOL so probably multiply that by x10 for most larger dealers, and even more for the huge ones..

Kind of my point; dealerships aren't losing money on their discount deals, and there's no way is $10k per F150 times 20+ F150's ever going to be recovered over about two GT350's. Noise.


Norm

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Kind of my point; dealerships aren't losing money on their discount deals, and there's no way is $10k per F150 times 20+ F150's ever going to be recovered over about two GT350's. Noise.


Norm

Completely agree that it is irrelevant to Ford on the whole, with you there 100%.

My only point was that people want the deals, but then moan about it going the other way, they want it both ways.

 

[Bossing]

Here's my personal dealership experience since I have bought new high-demand vehicles year after year now...

Chevrolet: New C7's= 2014 Z51 coupe on 10/2013 at 1k below msrp; 2015 Z51 convertible on 6/2014 at 12k below msrp; 2015 Z06 at msrp ordered on 7/2014 and delivered on 10/2014

Dodge SRT: 2017 Viper ACR-E ordered on 9/2016 at 5k below msrp and delivered on 5/2017

Porsche: 2016 GT4 at msrp on 4/2016; 2017 911 Carrera at 7k below msrp on 1/2017; 2018 GT3 at msrp ordered on 4/2017

Ford: Don't get me started on GT350's.... greedy dealers, period. But I did get my '16 Focus RS and '17 Raptor at msrp.

I forgot to add… I think the good deal I ever got on a desirable SVT car was my 2012 Boss 302 I bought new on Memorial Day 2012… all because the facelifted 2013’s were arriving at the dealership and they wanted to blow out the remaining 2012’s…. I got 4k off a new B302 back then so I bought it. I was actually shopping for a new 5.0 around that time… but I’m glad I went for the Boss car instead.

Bottom line IMHO is that many Ford dealers will ape rape you.... even if you're a faithful longtime client to a specific dealership. Rant done. :headbonk:

 

[96cobra]

Bottom line IMHO is that many Ford dealers will ape rape you.... even if you're a faithful longtime client to a specific dealership. Rant done. :headbonk:

This is the worst part of this IMO- Long time customers that have been loyal to a dealership, buying cars when the market wasn't so hot, and inquiring on getting the hot car now and they treat like like crap. I've already told myself that I'd never buy from a few down the road when buying company cars and/or personal cars.

 

[Bossing]

Ha! Devil's advocate.....

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