Return fuel system

[isedawishy]

Anyone upgrade their fuel system yet?

Looking to step away from the BAP and upgrade, but I don't plan on building the motor. Do I need rails to run E85?

What do you guys recommend in my case?

Thanks

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[Phils15GT]

I have a fore stage 1 kit that uses stock rails. Has twin pumps and I run E85. Car should be around the 750 wheel range currently. I think the fuel system ran around 14-1600.

 

[Barrel]

You don't need rails. I have a custom twin walbro fuel pump setup that works great. Figure around $1500 for a decent enough system.

 

[Dolsvt00]

Anyone upgrade their fuel system yet?

Looking to step away from the BAP and upgrade, but I don't plan on building the motor. Do I need rails to run E85?

What do you guys recommend in my case?

Thanks

I plan to do this also, but im not a fan of anything Fore and not a fan of 2/3 pumps.

My plan is to sump the tank and run a single magnafuel 750, then Cap, drill and tap the gutted stock hat for return.

 

[FATHERFORD]

I plan to do this also, but im not a fan of anything Fore and not a fan of 2/3 pumps.

My plan is to sump the tank and run a single magnafuel 750, then Cap, drill and tap the gutted stock hat for return.

What makes you not a fan of something that works, and works reliably?

 

[Dolsvt00]

What makes you not a fan of something that works, and works reliably?

They got my money already and it wasnt reliable? Cost me an engine.

You guys can have at it. I wolnt ever do it again. It wasnt for the most part fore's fault but more the pumps. But for the price I could have built a more reliable and less complicated system on my own twice.

 

[FATHERFORD]

Interesting, what failed?

I have been running dual(factory) and triple pumps for years, without a failure. Supporting well over 1500hp.

 

[Dolsvt00]

Interesting, what failed?

I have been running dual(factory) and triple pumps for years, without a failure. Supporting well over 1500hp.

The pumps when I needed them lol. Your car will still run good on one if the other two fail, problem is when you need all 3 and have only one and your foot is all up in the floorboard.

If you only have one pump and youur only one pump fails, your not going anywhere to blow anything up.

 

[beefcake]

then it would be safe to say your not a fan of walbro.

fore doesn't manufacture pumps.

the fore setups are superb quality and our goto for fuel system.

we had several hundred passes on our 2011 car without issue, and it was one of or first mods on the 2015 car.

i have hundreds of customers on these setups without issue. justin's customer service is great if any of our customers ever need help, and everything is manufactured in ourse

 

[Dolsvt00]

Walboro, Aeromotive and the list goes on and on. It all depends on their use, and forget about manufacturer reliability testing most wouldn't pass anyway. You see, you guys and your shop cars that may see 10,000 miles never have any failures on the products you push. But the simple fact is theres some science at work here. Street or daily driven cars in there lives will see low fuel instances (pump is exposed no fuel around to cool it in the tank, pump gets hot and locks up), dirty fuel ( general trash from pump to pump) (or the pump is on a hobbs and hardly sees any on time and they gum up and seize.) Or about 20% of the failures Ive seen are from being run 100% all the time inside the tank (Aeromotive will fail within a month like that, they dont tolerate that abuse).

I cant tell you how many times ive had cars come in for dyno days and there lucky enough someone is watching air fuel and yell for them to shut down as its heading up to the sky, throw a fuel pressure gauge on there and watch the needle go backwards in the middle or towards the end of a pull.

More than half the time its twin or tripple pump systems in high hp cars that are daily drivers or frequently driven with 15-20k on aftermarket pumps and hat kits. Hobbs switches or pumps run at 100% are the most frequent root causes for those failures. I have a simple 12v power supply I leave on the shelf with alligator clips I snap to the pumps to check them with. Sometimes I can clean them and get them to work ( proves it was gummed up) or sometimes there just flat burnt out and smell like 10 day old electrical fire.

The other half are cars with thousands in bolt ons and injectors but just not smart enough to put lines or pumps in.

Fore makes the hats and rails, I get that. There quality machined parts, I get that.
The rest of the parts are supplied by different manufacturer's I get that too.
For the price and the ammount of reliability ive seen and personally experienced its not worth it, when a simpler more reliable setup can be had for less.

I played with fire, it burned me. You learn from your mistakes and dont make them again.

 

[sonic]

I find this interesting as I'm in the market for a fuel system to run E85 with my whipple .. I have no plans on building my motor or at least going past 800 at the wheel ... I don't like the idea off sump tank like an old school hot rod where I have to open my trunk to fill up...

 

[Dolsvt00]

I find this interesting as I'm in the market for a fuel system to run E85 with my whipple .. I have no plans on building my motor or at least going past 800 at the wheel ... I don't like the idea off sump tank like an old school hot rod where I have to open my trunk to fill up...

The hat systems are easier a boost a pump is the easiest.

I have access to things most dont, and I do ALL of my own work. It's my choice to do things the way I feel is the right way to do it.

Theres a difference between a sumped tank and a fuel cell. A sumped tank is a modified stock tank that still retains the fill neck/ fuel level indicator ect. Its virtually the same as stock with bungs added to the bottom by welding to run lines and a drain (if you switch fuel often and want an extra drain). You run new lines and an external fuel pump to the sump.

A fuel cell is what you described.

 

[sonic]

The hat systems are easier a boost a pump is the easiest.

I have access to things most dont, and I do ALL of my own work. It's my choice to do things the way I feel is the right way to do it.

Theres a difference between a sumped tank and a fuel cell. A sumped tank is a modified stock tank that still retains the fill neck/ fuel level indicator ect. Its virtually the same as stock with bungs added to the bottom by welding to run lines and a drain (if you switch fuel often and want an extra drain). You run new lines and an external fuel pump to the sump.

A fuel cell is what you described.

How would you sump the tank in these cars being that they are double humped

 

[Dolsvt00]

How would you sump the tank in these cars being that they are double humped

Ill post som pics of what im doing soon.

 

[Dat Boi Kumar]

I've got a fore system, I just need to quit being lazy and put it on

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