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[Whipple SC]

I will give you credit for all of those benefits, those aspects of your kit are valuable to a portion of buyers. However, I'd wager that 50% or more of buyers are going catless on their exhaust and don't care about any kind of emissions.

Yes but you realize cats reach 1800deg on a. Chassis dyno pull, where do you think they are on a drag run. With 47lb injectors it's impossible to have cat saver mode working at anything past 650hp range. 1000cc+ inj are nearly impossible to control during decal and warm restarts which means they can't pass emissions. Therefore it's far more complicated and complexes argument.

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[Burnin4]

You are clearly mistaken. There is a "kit" and "potential". Our "kit" makes over 100hp more than Roush's "kit". 670hp vs 800hp on 93 octane. That's emissions legal, bolt on in your garage kits. The tools are also there for even more power with ease.

Anybody who thinks a smaller sc, smaller less efficient intercooler, smaller inlet, smaller more restrictive manifold somehow equals more power is not clear of mind.

Do you really think GM, Ford or Dodge wouldn't have used there lower priced, production ready kits that they had at their disposal all with 2.3 liter superchargers? They tried, didn't work. Ford had the Roush kit that they offer, dodge had the Hellcat SC and GM had the LS9 sc.

There is zero incorrect with our statements. As for drag numbers, if we wanted to chase drag numbers we would. Watson, Lehal, American Muscle all already run extremely quick. There's a few Cobra Jets running pretty well too.

How about them dyno numbers, is it just magic that it all comes together on a dyno and not in real world? I'll give you a hint, it's not magic, it's just the superiority of the product. Does that mean a TVS doesn't work? Nope not at all, it's a great sc, but it's certainly not a screw compressor and it's definitely not a Whipple.

The accuracy of your statement is then limited to the comparison of your kit/tune versus an off-the-shelf Roush kit with a Roush tune. However, your statement is definitely not accurate when comparing any VMP kit (Roush based) that comes with a remote flash from Lund.

This is all I'm saying, as of right now, an off the shelf VMP kit with the supplied Lund tune on Lower Boost will definitively outperform a 3.75 or 3.625 Whipple setup on the whipple supplied tune at the dragstrip/street. Will your new 2.9 make more power and go faster....absolutely, but not on your super special tune that you've been harping about for months.

 

[Burnin4]

Last I checked Watson racing was holding the record with the whipple well over 150 mph?

A forum member drove his TVS powered 15gt with stock trans/diff to the strip and went 150+ as well, and he's not part of a race team, remotely tuned by Lund.

What was you time?

I went 10.80's at 134mph on 20's and pump gas. My et's are not great but 134mph is moving for -115ft DA. I dataloged my pass's, Lund has already made some revisions from my base tune, headed back in the spring with a set of welds. The welds will free up another 1-2mph as will the adjustments in my tune. I'd expect low/mid 10's at 135+ on my next outing, still on 93 pump and still with cats. I only have cats because I hate the drone of off-road pipes and I hate smelling like the car.

 

[Whipple SC]

The accuracy of your statement is then limited to the comparison of your kit/tune versus an off-the-shelf Roush kit with a Roush tune. However, your statement is definitely not accurate when comparing any VMP kit (Roush based) that comes with a remote flash from Lund.

This is all I'm saying, as of right now, an off the shelf VMP kit with the supplied Lund tune on Lower Boost will definitively outperform a 3.75 or 3.625 Whipple setup on the whipple supplied tune at the dragstrip/street. Will your new 2.9 make more power and go faster....absolutely, but not on your super special tune that you've been harping about for months.

Yes, a kit is actually legal to drive on a private or public road. The fact that one can make a kit with zero rules and regulations makes it very different. So a VMP Roush kit is for unregistered race cars only. At that point, you may reference Watson, Lethal, American Muscle, Cobra Jets... List goes on because that's what your comparing.

Again, your grasping for something out of your grasp, its not magic. Our complete kits pass emissions, all monitors 100% work and are fully functioning and our knock detection and safety is far beyond typical aftermarket. If its pulling timing, if its going richer, the reason, simple, its what's needed to ensure safety of everything. Now your comparing calibrations. With your logic, what happens when Lund supplies a tune to our system, does the VMP or Roush still outperform? Is that really what you think? Why don't you ask them because they have back to back test.

 

[Burnin4]

^I know the capabilities of your kit when turned over to Lund, at least dyno numbers. Again, I'm only comparing the results of your tune/kit for the 15+GT versus my experience from a different kit/tune, one that you routinely claim is significantly lesser/inferior. You win the emissions battle hands down, congrats, but I'm here to tell you that you're going to have a lot of customers that are gonna be shocked when their 650+ 3.625 pulled 15GT gets walked by a smaller blower on lower boost with an off the shelf kit running a base flash from a kit that costs $1000 less (apples to apples). <---- that's what most of your customers really care about. You guys just need to step up your performance on that tune. Fortunately for you, you have me pointing out real world differences between 2 competing kits, regardless of any other factors (emissions compliance). I'd rock the $hit out of a Whipple kit, but if I'm going to run 12-13psi/3.625 on a stock motor on pump gas I'd at least want it to perform.

 

[tws123]

Cat fight! Lol! I don't have a cat or dog in this fight but I don't think u can compare a complete kit to a kit done by a tuner. Roush kit and tune should compare to whipple kit and tune.

 

[Burnin4]

To me, honestly, it's not a kit vs kit battle. Whipple has a great product, but the performance results of the whipple supplied tune haven't been able to support all of the superiority claims made by them, or back up any of the 650whp+ dyno sheets. The primary thing I care about when modding my car is results, had no idea their was such thing as carb certified blowers, it's almost like an oxymoron considering half of these cars will be catless and running race gas at some point. Whipple constantly touts their omnipotent ability to build the best all over this forum, normally I wouldn't challenge them, but the lack of results drives me to point it out. (strictly speaking on the 15gt+ kit on their tune)

 

[tws123]

To me, honestly, it's not a kit vs kit battle. Whipple has a great product, but the performance results of the whipple supplied tune haven't been able to support all of the superiority claims made by them, or back up any of the 650whp+ dyno sheets. The primary thing I care about when modding my car is results, had no idea their was such thing as carb certified blowers, it's almost like an oxymoron considering half of these cars will be catless and running race gas at some point. Whipple constantly touts their omnipotent ability to build the best all over this forum, normally I wouldn't challenge them, but the lack of results drives me to point it out. (strictly speaking on the 15gt+ kit on their tune)

just teasing you! I almost got a job in Huntersville before. I like the area and uptown. I have some friends on the nascar teams

 

[FATHERFORD]

If you want quite, go turbo. My cars are quiter then stock, yet make over a 1000rwhp.

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