Procharger pro flow valve

[ProChargerTECH]

I’m stating facts. Car didn’t go from being slow to being fast. Car was already doing good just got better. Valve was not stuck or disconnected, sorry. I know in Kansas City all Procharger cars with Procharger tunes drive better than stock, dyno 650+, run mid 10s at over 130mph but the reality is life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows outside of Kansas. Not trying to be mean, just facts splattered all over this section.

No rainbows needed,

Facts are like my video of a blower spinning 51,000 rpm,
But the "leak" can't even move a plastic grocery bag...

If it can't even move a bag,.. pretty obvious that
...it ain't 3 mph or even .0003 mph worth of airflow.

With no doubt, something improved on your car, and it's going faster.
Which again is totally awesome. But it wasn't from a bypass valve.
(unless the other was stuck open) That's the end of the story.


Why this is SO frustrating for me is pretty simple.

I am tired of people changing valves expecting some massive change based on what the "Forums" or "FB" has told them...
and then they get pissed when they spend hard earned money with no results and want a refund (even though we didn't recommend it)

So I urge you, please be careful gains from a valve swap...
That's all I ask.


YES: this is me talking people OUT of spending money on things like race valves, which we stock and can easily sell. But unless someone wants a louder valve, or is making well over 700-750HP, there is just no point in the Race Valve (or other brand of equivalent size)

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[ProChargerTECH]

Im extremely happy with my kit, cant wait for a stall and E85.

Hold on, cause that thing will be a rocket!

My friend has a similar combo, and now gets to brag about having a 9 second daily driver, that isn't even leaned on. Just awesome that it can be that bloody fast, and deal reliable.

 

[SolarFlare]

No rainbows needed,

Facts are like my video of a blower spinning 51,000 rpm,
But the "leak" can't even move a plastic grocery bag...

If it can't even move a bag,.. pretty obvious that
...it ain't 3 mph or even .0003 mph worth of airflow.

With no doubt, something improved on your car, and it's going faster.
Which again is totally awesome. But it wasn't from a bypass valve.
(unless the other was stuck open) That's the end of the story.


Why this is SO frustrating for me is pretty simple.

I am tired of people changing valves expecting some massive change based on what the "Forums" or "FB" has told them...
and then they get pissed when they spend hard earned money with no results and want a refund (even though we didn't recommend it)

So I urge you, please be careful gains from a valve swap...
That's all I ask.


YES: this is me talking people OUT of spending money on things like race valves, which we stock and can easily sell. But unless someone wants a louder valve, or is making well over 700-750HP, there is just no point in the Race Valve (or other brand of equivalent size)

Because you said so, it must be true.

 

[Draklia]

Because you said so, it must be true.

Thanks for trying. Guy has good forum skilz.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Because you said so, it must be true.

Thanks for trying. Guy has good forum skilz.

Well you said you picked up 3mph from a surge valve swap.

SO, that means you gained ~42 rwhp from a valve swap.
Thats a steep number, and you are saying its true.

If you are confident that is true, I have a proposition for ya....


I have a car with a proflow on it. (2018 Mustang, with P1X)
I will put up $2000 cash on the line (my personal money)

That you (or anyone) can come put ANY surge valve on it they want.
And I will risk $2000 of my own money, that NONE gain the kinda HP to add 3mph.
(with NO other changes to the car, then the valve)


To gain 3mph with a 3,700lb car:
585rwhp = 130 mph
627rwhp = 133 mph

So I'll lay $2000 of my personal money on the line,
If a "surge valve swap" picks up 42 HP.

And if it doesn't you owe me NOTHING.
But you gotta pay the shop for the dyno rental time.


So I have nothing to gain, only have risk.
Do we have a deal?





NOTE: I still believe you gained 3mph, though I am willing to wager my money that it came from other things... such as...

- higher revlimiter
- tune change
- maybe something was loose
- better fuel (allowing for knock to add more timing)
- weather changes/track conditions

 

[SolarFlare]

Eric I really have no desire to argue this. Best pass to best pass about 3 weeks apart was 3mph, maf lbs went from consistent 76-78lbs(same for 10 months I’ve had kit) per min to 86.68+, maf hz 9.25 to 9.7ish, previous DA was -700, after DA 0, previous 60ft 1.69, after 1.72, same fuel, same weight (minus tire wear of course lol), same 18psi in tires, same 17* of timing. We did have to adjust the fuel trims a bit, they were thrown off. Sometimes we must accept that your experience might not be the same as mine. These things as produced by the thousands, not all are the same.

 

[foff667]

^ didn't you swap to a different belt? belt slip maybe...

 

[SolarFlare]

Yes, belt was always tight, in 10months of use, 6000 miles and lots of pulls for logs and races there was no sign of belt dust anywhere on the engine bay. And dust on the ribs of the belt was minimal. Tuner looked at all my logs and said there was no sign of slippage. Everything has been consistent since the day it was installed.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Eric I really have no desire to argue this. Best pass to best pass about 3 weeks apart was 3mph, maf lbs went from consistent 76-78lbs(same for 10 months I’ve had kit) per min to 86.68+, maf hz 9.25 to 9.7ish, previous DA was -700, after DA 0, previous 60ft 1.69, after 1.72, same fuel, same weight (minus tire wear of course lol), same 18psi in tires, same 17* of timing. We did have to adjust the fuel trims a bit, they were thrown off. Sometimes we must accept that your experience might not be the same as mine. These things as produced by the thousands, not all are the same.

Perfect, your data makes even less sense.

Your MPH gain is about a ~42hp gain.
But the MAF data that you are saying is a ~76-84 HP increase.


Congrats on finding your boost leak,
I am stoked your car is bloody fast and obviously makes a load of power.
Like really really stoked, thats a ton of airflow and obviously HP.

However just want to make sure people don't think they will get anywhere near a 42-84hp increase in power from a valve swap.

And that we warranty our ProFlow units, and all other valves.
So if someone has an issue with a valve its just a simple swap, or even an exchange to our "bullet" valve which is a none-butterfly style.



NOTE: The most common issue I see with a ProFlow on the S550, is the linkage getting stuck on the bumper crossbar, once the cover is put back on. And the valve can't either fully close or fully open. (I have fixed that on two cars in my garage, for buddies that did self installs)

 

[SolarFlare]

That’s the data. I don’t think the car is “bloody fast” yet.

 

[Draklia]

In case anyone missed prochargertech’s point. The proflo valve is not poopoo even if some people think it is. Carry on....

 

[ProChargerTECH]

In case anyone missed prochargertech’s point. The proflo valve is not poopoo even if some people think it is. Carry on....

No, I am trying to save people from spending money they don't need to.
Which is usually the 100% opposite a manufacturer would want. LOL.

Also the ProFlow actually costs us MORE to produce than our other valves.
So, in theory, we wouldn't WANT to sell that as our base offering.

But we do, because it has some very legit reasons to be included.
And has since 1995, on thousands and thousands of systems.


My point is, no valve swap gains 42 to 84 hp.
(~42 based on his MPH gain)
(~84 based on his MAF lbs/min gain)

Not unless the previous valve is broke, linkage bound up, or there is a boost leak somewhere else.
And for the case of it being broken, we have a warranty for that
(or can swap the valve to a none butterfly style, called the Bullet).

I am a normal guy, normal family, love Mustangs.
I just want the same thing everyone wants... fast fun stuff.
And the best bang for the buck....

Its clear, he had a boost issue... its now solved. (and that makes me happy)
Could it been solved with a warranty part? maybe
Could it have been solved with finding a bound up linkage? maybe
Did he gain that massive amount of HP from a different valve? NO.

 

[kcc0521]

Nothing scientific but I recently made a pipe for a TiAl bov I had laying around for my Procharger. Installed after swapping to the 2 lb spring, took it off the next day. Thing is way too loud for daily driving and I did not notice any difference in boost or butt dyno from having it (stock pulley).

I usually shift around 3k rpm and also decided to meter the air bypass decibel from the TiAl at this speed from a few feet away and it was literrally 107db. Way to much attention and doesn't sound that great either. I assume any open vented bypass valve will be similar.

My BV57 is open and it is not loud at cruise. I had the vortech race and it was horrible.

 

[SolarFlare]

The proflo has a 750hp limit, most say 10psi is all they will push with it because leak increases with a higher pressure delta. I see no need to warranty an item that might not serve its purpose much longer. I upgraded to something that will work for me as more mods come.

 

[SolarFlare]

I’ll say it again, I don’t come expect people to have my results. I also don’t expect others to tell me my outcome and data is wrong.

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