POLL: Guess MY18 Power Level!

[GTRacerX.]

The numbers ....

Ok here is an article that should put this topic to rest. I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase.
I always said 475-500. Seems like I am right after all.

https://blog.americanmuscle.com/2017/01/09/new-engine-updates-for-the-2018-mustang-gt/

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[millhouse]

Ok here is an article that should put this topic to rest. I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase.
I always said 475-500. Seems like I am right after all.

https://blog.americanmuscle.com/2017/01/09/new-engine-updates-for-the-2018-mustang-gt/

:ford:

So you are claiming correctness based off of an article that is guessing on the MY18 hp?

Was it really that long ago that everyone was claiming the MY18 was going to have a 4.8L v8 based off of magazine articles?

 

[1320']

Keep in mind there is also a slight bump in displacement. (.09L) from 4.951 to 5.041 (I think that's the figured topnotch posted).

 

[1320']

So you are claiming correctness based off of an article that is guessing on the MY18 hp?

Was it really that long ago that everyone was claiming the MY18 was going to have a 4.8L v8 based off of magazine articles?

The mods eventually had to threaten to delete posts on the spot that continued to spread the 4.8L rumor around.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Great post, its always nice to see some math & science behind a theory, instead of circular referencing one's self in 3rd person.

I kind of think Ford is going to go conservative with 456hp, just so on paper it has more HP than Camaro.

Then it will have some extra ponies to release in a couple of years, like they did from 2012 w/ 412hp to 2013 w/ 420hp.

Could be considered scientific if the only benefit of direct injection was a decrease in knock, or if compression ratios had a linear correlation to combustion efficiency, or if homogenous charge was the only mode of operation... but I digress

 

[xwoodx]

Ok here is an article that should put this topic to rest. I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase.
I always said 475-500. Seems like I am right after all.

https://blog.americanmuscle.com/2017/01/09/new-engine-updates-for-the-2018-mustang-gt/

:ford:

That's not confirmation of anything.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

Great post, its always nice to see some math & science behind a theory, instead of circular referencing one's self in 3rd person.

I kind of think Ford is going to go conservative with 456hp, just so on paper it has more HP than Camaro.

Then it will have some extra ponies to release in a couple of years, like they did from 2012 w/ 412hp to 2013 w/ 420hp.

Engines, like babies, are NEVER born Fully Formed. Many people seem to nievely & incorrectly think that (behind the scenes) Research & Development Stops the moment the engine is released, with no potential for improvement or over-the-horizon (as yet unseen) ONGOING development conducted - forcing engineers to de-tune to "save something for later". WRONG !!!

 

[5pointOh]

Engines, like babies, are NEVER born Fully Formed. Many people seem to nievely & incorrectly think that (behind the scenes) Research & Development Stops the moment the engine is released, with no over-the-horizon (as yet unseen) ONGOING development conducted - forcing engineers to de-tune to "save something for later". WRONG !!!

this. Program goals are set into place way ahead of time, likely the day after the S550 was unveiled. Ford doesnt go to the powertrain engineers and be like see if you can make 480 hp with DI/PI but we will only tune it for 455 so in 2021 we can "magically" make 25 hp more for the S650. they were likely given a minimum number such as 460 while still meeting the FE, AQ and durability goals and anything above that number that still met the goals is icing on the cake. Ford knows Chevy and Dodge are not sitting still so to handicap themselves when they have the capability to blow them out of the water on a MCA is asinine.

 

[GTRacerX.]

So you are claiming correctness based off of an article that is guessing on the MY18 hp?

Was it really that long ago that everyone was claiming the MY18 was going to have a 4.8L v8 based off of magazine articles?

What I said is "I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase."

The article from American Muscle is coming to the same conclusion I did, I am not saying it is fact ! Just that it makes no sense to do such a refresh with only a 20hp bump.

 

[wproctor411]

What I said is "I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase."

The article from American Muscle is coming to the same conclusion I did, I am not saying it is fact ! Just that it makes no sense to do such a refresh with only a 20hp bump.

The potential is likely 40-50HP but they also have mpg mandates and carbon reduction to deal with so take that into account. This could all change depending on what happens with the EPA over tbe next few years but we will see.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

this. Program goals are set into place way ahead of time, likely the day after the S550 was unveiled. Ford doesnt go to the powertrain engineers and be like see if you can make 480 hp with DI/PI but we will only tune it for 455 so in 2021 we can "magically" make 25 hp more for the S650. they were likely given a minimum number such as 460 while still meeting the FE, AQ and durability goals and anything above that number that still met the goals is icing on the cake. Ford knows Chevy and Dodge are not sitting still so to handicap themselves when they have the capability to blow them out of the water on a MCA is asinine.

This. Period.

 

[millhouse]

Apparently, everyone has forgotten that Ford has changed hp ratings to save face on new MY releases in the past. The 93 mustang 5.0 was de-rated from 225HP to 205 hp from the previous model years. Ford did change the way they rated power that year, but a large reason for the difference was because the new 94 mustang required a more restrictive intake/throttle body and was rated for only 215hp.

No one can sit here and claim to know if ford has or hasn't decided to leave any power on the table period.

 

[GTRacerX.]

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Apparently, everyone has forgotten that Ford has changed hp ratings to save face on new MY releases in the past. The 93 mustang 5.0 was de-rated from 225HP to 205 hp from the previous model years. Ford did change the way they rated power that year, but a large reason for the difference was because the new 94 mustang required a more restrictive intake/throttle body and was rated for only 215hp.

No one can sit here and claim to know if ford has or hasn't decided to leave any power on the table period.

I agree. But we can all agree that Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. This alone one could assume that this new 5.0 coyote engine is very capable of 470-500 HP with minor mods. At the very least 455 HP with something left on the table for tuners. ;)

 

[xwoodx]

I agree. But we can all agree that Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. This alone one could assume that this new 5.0 coyote engine is very capable of 470-500 HP with minor mods. At the very least 455 HP with something left on the table for tuners. ;)

A lot of the gains seen from DI come from being able to use higher compression, that IS the big advantage. Every manufacture I can think of increased the CR when they made the change.

I'm sure we will find out in a few months, should be a screamer!

 

[millhouse]

I agree. But we can all agree that Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. This alone one could assume that this new 5.0 coyote engine is very capable of 470-500 HP with minor mods. At the very least 455 HP with something left on the table for tuners. ;)

Ford could very well roll out with a 470hp terror, but none of us in here (that don't work for Ford) have any concrete proof that it won't be 455hp or 480hp. A big reason for the DI is because of emissions and more importantly the increased MPG. Increasing the MPG is a huge deal for current and future federal regulations.

I think we can all agree 455 is a good number to expect, with a nice bump in torque.

Folks also need to keep in mind that the new 10 speed with new converter can easily account for 1/4-1/2 second in the 1/4 mile.

Likewise, if ford tweaks their tune eliminating the damn clutch protection and wheel hop for the manual transmission, a 1/4 second decrease could easily be had.

Ford doesn't need to do it all with HP/TQ alone.

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