Performance pack manual only?

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Hi everybody; I´m new here from Sweden. I just ordered my export version and I am very glad that on the Euro version we get the PP standard even if you order the GT with auto which has the 3:55 rear. We get the same cars that are bound for Germany and all cars sold here get the PP standard to be able to handle the autobahn. My car will be magnetic and I ordered optional aluminum colored rims to avoid the black ones!
I even own a Corvette Z06 with manual and my DD is a Saab 9-5 with manual; so I want the auto in my Stang!

Yep; if somebody REALLY wants a PP Auto car, they can import a European model.

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[HalfMoon]

Hi everybody; I´m new here from Sweden. I just ordered my export version and I am very glad that on the Euro version we get the PP standard even if you order the GT with auto which has the 3:55 rear. We get the same cars that are bound for Germany and all cars sold here get the PP standard to be able to handle the autobahn. My car will be magnetic and I ordered optional aluminum colored rims to avoid the black ones!
I even own a Corvette Z06 with manual and my DD is a Saab 9-5 with manual; so I want the auto in my Stang!

Congrats.

What year Z06 do you own?

 

[kz]

Hi everybody; I´m new here from Sweden. I just ordered my export version and I am very glad that on the Euro version we get the PP standard even if you order the GT with auto which has the 3:55 rear. We get the same cars that are bound for Germany and all cars sold here get the PP standard to be able to handle the autobahn. My car will be magnetic and I ordered optional aluminum colored rims to avoid the black ones!
I even own a Corvette Z06 with manual and my DD is a Saab 9-5 with manual; so I want the auto in my Stang!

So you're saying that without PP it wouldn't be able to handle the autobahn ? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ?

 

[Asharus]

lol wow, the non performance pack mustangs must explode or something when they reach a certain speed

 

[B-52 Jetman]

Actually, if I was blazing down the Autobahn...I would want the 3.31 gears on the Base GT. Autobahn is not so much about getting up to speed fast but maintaining a high speed for long periods of time. 3.31 gears will turn a much lower RPM at high speeds as opposed to 3.55 or even worse 3.73's. The motor will have a much better longevity running 3.31's.

 

[stangswede]

So you're saying that without PP it wouldn't be able to handle the autobahn ? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ?

I am NOT making that conclusion myself; it´s Ford that wants the PP on all Stangs here. One of the reasons that I have read on Euro-Stang forums, mention the larger radiators and cooling fans may be a reason why Ford wants the PP on our cars. We here can only speculate as to why Ford wants all cars here to have PP. So they make one version for all countries in Europe taking in mind factors such as higher average speeds and more secondary roads with alot of curves.

I don´t know; I´m only happy that the PP is available on the GT with auto as standard equipment. Just like all Corvettes that where sold by Chevrolet of Europe included the Z51 handling package as standard.

BTW, my Z06 is an 08.

 

[stangswede]

There are though some down sides of the Euro version. I have heard that our 5.0 is somewhat downtuned to 418 hp as well alittle quieter exhaust. I know that Switzerland has tougher requirements, so we all get screwed! Again, we can only speculate, since Ford gives no info regarding this matter. A catback exhaused and new software can easily rectify the problem. And our rear lights are all transparent. Some consider them hideous. If you google 2015 Mustang export, you guys can check out our rear lamps!

 

[kz]

I am NOT making that conclusion myself; it´s Ford that wants the PP on all Stangs here. One of the reasons that I have read on Euro-Stang forums, mention the larger radiators and cooling fans may be a reason why Ford wants the PP on our cars. We here can only speculate as to why Ford wants all cars here to have PP. So they make one version for all countries in Europe taking in mind factors such as higher average speeds and more secondary roads with alot of curves.

Sure - cause Europe is so hot of continent compared to US... Makes a lot of sense...

Compare the quantities sold - in Europe you'll be one of the few, in US there's Mustang on every corner. So here you have all (almost - except auto with PP - lol) combinations available, while for Europe just a few including PP, to make it look like a sportscar...

We have highways here with much much longer stretches than any autobahn and much much higher ambient temperatures than anywhere in Europe...

 

[Norm Peterson]

Coming from someone who lives in a part of the world where manual gearboxes are the default: If you drive manual all the time it becomes such a second nature you don't really think about it, so there is no notion of 'feeling like it' or not. In fact, I often have to actively supress my urge to reach for the stick when driving my girlfriend's automatic. At least I have learned not to stomp on the non-existing clutch with my left foot and catch the brake pedal by accident instead. That experience is what you can call 'interesting'.

So true! It's just the way your car works, and at that point it won't feel like "work" at all. I suspect that many of us who drive MT cars almost exclusively have had an 'interesting experience' or two with the automatics, as you put it.

My last commute was about 5.5 miles, and counting both upshifts and downshifts I'd make 30 or more shifts going to work in a negligible amount of traffic and about double that coming home when traffic was heavier. All those shifts were done more or less instinctively just to keep the engine at revs appropriate for the situation at hand.

At double, or maybe triple that commuting distance, driving a MT still wouldn't be an inconvenience. Much more of a commute than that and I don't want to be stuck in it no matter what kind of transmission my car might have. Been there (ages ago, with an AT car, it was enough for a lifetime).


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

So you're saying that without PP it wouldn't be able to handle the autobahn ? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds ?

There's a difference between merely "being able to handle it" and being better suited for it.

You can drive around in a car on shocks that have 100,0000 miles on them, which will still "handle" the demands of most peoples' daily driving. Just nowhere near optimally, and with somewhat more risk.


Norm

 

[Wblv17]

New Jersey....:doh: I don't understand how in 2015 that Full Service gas is still a thing. Here in Texas, I haven't seen a Full Service gas station in over 20-years.

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[Papaya]

Sure - cause Europe is so hot of continent compared to US... Makes a lot of sense...

Compare the quantities sold - in Europe you'll be one of the few, in US there's Mustang on every corner. So here you have all (almost - except auto with PP - lol) combinations available, while for Europe just a few including PP, to make it look like a sportscar...

We have highways here with much much longer stretches than any autobahn and much much higher ambient temperatures than anywhere in Europe...

If (and only "if") you would read the Europe specs for the Mustang, you would have known that driving on the "high speed Autobahn" with a car needs bigger radiators, brakes and IC. Yes. The EcoBoost for Europe has a much bigger IC than in North America. It is always funny that some (only some) Americans think that driving with 75 mph (legally in UTAH) or high speed for a 1/4 mile would be worth to mention. Every American who drove in Europe is missing the European Autobahn. I drove for 3 years every day to and from work with around 220 km/h (I did work in Frankfurt/Main).

Now go figure out why European cars need bigger coolers on the engine.
No offense! But the specs for Europe are online for couple weeks now. And I am NOT going to explain you now the weather in Europe. That's online for decades! :gossip:

 

[Jamo]

Automatic transmission? What's that?



I'm getting the self starter though.

 

[kz]

If (and only "if") you would read the Europe specs for the Mustang, you would have known that driving on the "high speed Autobahn" with a car needs bigger radiators, brakes and IC. Yes. The EcoBoost for Europe has a much bigger IC than in North America. It is always funny that some (only some) Americans think that driving with 75 mph (legally in UTAH) or high speed for a 1/4 mile would be worth to mention. Every American who drove in Europe is missing the European Autobahn. I drove for 3 years every day to and from work with around 220 km/h (I did work in Frankfurt/Main).

Now go figure out why European cars need bigger coolers on the engine.
No offense! But the specs for Europe are online for couple weeks now. And I am NOT going to explain you now the weather in Europe. That's online for decades! :gossip:

Again - it all makes no sense. Bigger brakes ? Because of autobahn ? And how may more countries have highways with no speed limits - like _some_ of them in Germany ? Everybody got hung up with autobahns, most if not all other countries do have speed limits on their highway and difference to US speed limits is essentially irrelevant.

At the end, could care less, everybody can but whatever he/she wants and in Europe there isn't really a choice, just bring on some explanation that make at least little engineering sense.

Btw - I lived in Europe and drove on their highways for almost 30 years. Picked wrong person to teach about autobahns...

 

[stangswede]

At the end, could care less, everybody can but whatever he/she wants and in Europe there isn't really a choice, just bring on some explanation that make at least little engineering sense.

Btw - I lived in Europe and drove on their highways for almost 30 years. Picked wrong person to teach about autobahns...

Now I can only answer for Sweden, here we have a full choice to purchase any car we want. We have more american cars per capita than most countries outside of North America. About 100k, mostly classics and newer muscle cars.

My Z06 was not bought through Chevrolet Sweden, it was bought from Texas and was a direkt import. Only catch is that it had to be pre-titled in the U.S. Mine had 200 miles on it. It cost about 3k for modifications (amber turn signals, headlight washers) and individual certification. In this case it was much cheaper than ordering a EU version as well as EU versions were limited in availability.

With regards to the 2015 Stang, only 82 were sold thru Ford of Sweden. I´m no. 72 and they were all sold in a week after release. These Stangs are alot cheaper than direct importing one since Ford really dumped prices on export. Now alot more people will be wanting a 15 Stang, so they go to a proffessional importer and order a U.S. version (at a higher cost since our currency is in the basement) and you get a U.S. version with some required modifications to lighting etc. No issue with U.S. engine mapping or louder exhaust in Sweden. Or they wait for the 2016 Euro versions.

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